fear

[plasticman]

When I smoke a large does of spice between 35-50mg it scares the shit out of me.
anyone got any tips or thoughts about the anxiety during a dmt trip cause im finding it hard to enjoy hyperspace when i think im going to die

 

[corpus callosum]

35-50mgs is a heavy dose, potentially.Why not try 25mg in a single inhalation and then slowly increase your dose if its not the level of experience you seek?

 

[Felnik]

It takes practice , you can learn to develop methods for handling it. It can be intense at times.
working in with smaller doses is one way. After many journeys alot of it can become familiar and you can learn when to push deeper or back off.
I prefer dosing with caapi tea or sublingual first before any spice. The caapi is our teacher and guide it gives the trip more meaning and context.

work on breathing through tough spots, start talking to yourself during intense spots like a coach , reassure yourself, tell yourself your cool and are gonna be ok.
It helps. start that dialog so you can use it when you need it.

ritual setting is good as well, a good grounding location where you feel safe is good too.
lower your dose work up gradually test the waters as you go it can work very well.

 

[Purges]

My first bit of advice would be SMOALK LESS- it aint a competition, try 20-30mg. This is enough for a break through for me, I can imagine 35-50 being unbelievably intense - I haven't tried these sorts of doses through my GVG as they were toe curling enough through my bong.

Also maybe try smoking a 'handshake dose' - 15mg or so just to get you into the mindset, but not blast you through the veil kicking and screaming, you will find that it is easier to let go once you have warmed up, it is for me any way.

And also at those sorts of doses it is likely that you will feel like you are dying - go with it! You aren't going to die, you will be fine, and the more you fight it, the harder the trip is going to be... It is in my mind an exercise in letting go and accepting your fate, after all we are all going to die some day

And yes! CAAPI CAAPI CAAPI!

Good luck!

 

[plasticman]

Dear Friends, Thankyou for reading and posting back to me. I think I'm getting too fixated with breaking through to the level and descriptions I've heard and read about, trying to reproduce some of these amazing stories. I've taken note and i will slow down and reduce my dose in the future to a level I can manage.
Would someone mind elaborating a little more about the caapi, where do you source this from and how would I prepare it?
I do have about 5-6 grams of Syrian Rue seeds in my cupboard which i haven't tried yet because ingesting Syrian rue actually scares me more then smoking the spice, I believe there can be some nasty complications associated with Syrian rue if you don't know what your doing. Would this make a good alternative? And whats the difference between the caapi and Syrian rue, the pros and cons so to speak.
Thanks again
Peace to you all

 

[pleasants]

Reports suggest Rue is harder on the stomach, and can be dangerous in an OD situation. It could be used, but caapi is generally preferred. Both will work as MAOIs though.

 

[vovin]

Fear is a normal part of the experience. If you do not have fear then you aren't doing it right. As far as the death in truth if it's too much for you then leave otherwise deal with it. People over 100+ dosages are terrified to take of the spice. For some sick reason they do THIS IS DMT. Everything you are experiencing is normal Welcome to the wold of DMT. You think this shit doesn't scare the living shit out of me 300+ journeys in?

 

[universecannon]

"I do have about 5-6 grams of Syrian Rue seeds in my cupboard which i haven't tried yet because ingesting Syrian rue actually scares me more then smoking the spice, I believe there can be some nasty complications associated with Syrian rue if you don't know what your doing."

Well if you end up taking it start off with 2 or 3g. That's about as much as i'll ever need with rue and 5g is way to much for the majority of people. I take rue or harmalas extracted from it everyday in lower doses, with higher doses pretty often. Never noticed any complications..what are these complications your talking about? Rue is just as safe as caapi (I find them to be very very similar, even)

From what i've heard there is even reports of people accidentally taking around a 100grams of rue and surviving to tell the tale.

"Reports suggest Rue is harder on the stomach, and can be dangerous in an OD situation. It could be used, but caapi is generally preferred. Both will work as MAOIs though."

What do you mean "can be dangerous in an OD situation"? And remember- its only harder on the stomach for some people. It sits as smooth as caapi does for me in the belly. If one can't take the taste or quaff the brew i suggest extracting rue. I work with both it and caapi and i wouldn't have it any other way The even combine together very well


as far as the fear part..its dmt man!..fear is totally normal. I'm absolutely terrified to take bigger doses of dmt but you know what? Its always always worth it and i'm almost always laughing at myself afterwards for being so hesitant. Smiling during the comeup helps. And a mantra you can resort to when in need to regain your balance a bit

Try grounding yourself beforehand with some yoga, meditation, and low changa doses. Low doses set you up well for the big shebang. And start working with oral dmt in whatever form you choose since its much easier to integrate and learn that way how to deal with these things. Smoked dmt is just bing bang boom its over but oral gives you an opportunity to work with it deeply for a while. Plus harmalas add a whole other element to it. I usually don't even smoke changa now adays unless i've taken some rue harmalas or caapi beforehand

In regards to sourcing and brewing caapi, ect..don't take this the wrong way brother but the search function (or google "dmt-nexus [whatever your searching enter here] " ) and suppliers section are your friends

 

[vovin]

For me a few rue seeds added to my pips (6ish) works well but does cause it to take on a darker tone.

 

[staresatwalls]

i'm not going to suggest smoking more willy nilly but i will suggest packing the hell out of an inspirator mkII ultra (glass tube w/ balled up steel wool (preferably copper) dmt, and then some more balled up steel wool) and taking it one rip at a time. anyway i put that in a bottle and hit it with a bic upside down with harmalas on top. but yes interesting is a much better word to describe the dmt experience than fun. but yes it might help to have a friend there and just go back and forth but alone is nice too. it's hard to get around the inherent intensity of dmt. persistence is key much love and good luck

 

[Xt]

Fear is a normal part of the experience. If you do not have fear then you aren't doing it right. As far as the death in truth if it's too much for you then leave otherwise deal with it. People over 100+ dosages are terrified to take of the spice. For some sick reason they do THIS IS DMT. Everything you are experiencing is normal Welcome to the wold of DMT. You think this shit doesn't scare the living shit out of me 300+ journeys in?

Legitimate.

 

[d*l*b]

Fear is a normal part of the experience. If you do not have fear then you aren't doing it right. As far as the death in truth if it's too much for you then leave otherwise deal with it. People over 100+ dosages are terrified to take of the spice. For some sick reason they do THIS IS DMT. Everything you are experiencing is normal Welcome to the wold of DMT. You think this shit doesn't scare the living shit out of me 300+ journeys in?

Legitimate.

Seconded.

After many journeys all that has happened is the wariness has increased. I am on a holiday from it at the moment. Although I feel a pull toward it I think a few months off will serve me well after two experiences that rocked me to the core. When I load the pipe next time the wariness, I guess, will be another notch up.

plasticman, I am actually pleased to hear when those new to spice state they feel fearful. This is actually, I feel, a sensible place to approach from. I know too many people who approach in a less considered way and I am worried for when they see the more difficult side of the game. It will at some point if the continue to play.

 

[vovin]

Just about all of us have needed to take a break after a period. Some return some dont. If it ever gets to be too much put it away. I am sure there will be some time later in life when you will return for at least a bit. DMT should never be a everyday drug IMHO. It is something you use to explore and when done only when you need it. It's a tool that is often overused.

 

[ChickenTikka]

Higher doses aren't necessarily the way to go about getting a breakthrough. The experience that really sacred me was probably the most intense, i can't work out exactly why it scared me, but it was pretty meaningless just an endless repeating tunnel i was trapped in, it was probably the loss of body and self that scared me, but death wasn't on my mind, i cant rationalise the fear.

Anyway, start with a low dose, work up until it you get to the level you can handle for the most part, and just stick with it, maybe do no more than 2 sessions a week, and with any luck you will get that one experience that will blow you away.

I've had plenty of experiences that i enjoyed but it wasn't until i had my sleigh trip with Santa and bearded men bearing scrolls that i discovered what DMT was really about.

It was just a level above everything else. It was at that point i realised DMT is the greatest thing on this planet.

 

[DMTripper]

I've had plenty of experiences that i enjoyed but it wasn't until i had my sleigh trip with Santa and bearded men bearing scrolls that i discovered what DMT was really about.

It was just a level above everything else. It was at that point i realised DMT is the greatest thing on this planet.

Hahahaha nice one

And I totally agree, it's not all about the high dose. I feel it's more about my state of body/mind. If I'm out of balance I need a higher dose and I don't really want to break through in that state. A session of low doses can help you get ready to blast through.