First attempt at A/B extraction of tabernaemontana undulata

[Herbaldreams]

I've recently been messing around with tabernaemontana undulata. I had one pound of the outer cortex of this plant. Most of this I have already made into a tea and drank resulting in a pleasant stimulant effect. I started off with very small doses and worked my way up a little. I found 4 or 5 grams to be enough to start noticing effects. I never exceeded twelve grams and at that dose it was an interesting stimulant with some burst of euphoria here and there.

I'm not the biggest fan of stimulants but I did enjoy this stuff. I also found that 3 or 4 grams mixed in with a dose of ayahuasca added a nice effect to the experience.

Well after drinking away most of my supply I decided it was time to try to make an extraction. I couldn't find much information on making an extraction from this plant so I started reading up on iboga extraction because it supposed to have similar alkaloids.

First I tried simply crashing the alkaloids out of the tea by adding a sodium carbonate saturated solution similar to how you do with syrian rue. I had read of this being done with ammonia for iboga. Something precipitated out that was definently active, but I believe a large fraction of the actives where left behind. Out of fifty grams I ended up with two doses that felt similar to ten grams worth made in tea.

So I read up some more and I found Bancopuma's thread about extracting from iboga with d-limonene and it pulling more of a full spectrum than the other teks I've read which used ammonia to precipitate the actives.

Well I happen to have some d-limonene, vinegar, and calcium hydroxide laying around from previous cacti and mimosa extractions. My plan is to pretty much follow Q21Q21's tek using tabernaemontana undulata instead of mimosa. Bancopuma didn't use a vinegar soak, but I figure this shouldn't hurt the process. If anything hopefully it will help since the actives in this plant seem to be fairly soluble in acidic water.

So far I have ground up my last fifty grams of the plant material, soaked it in vinegar, added 37.5 grams of calcium hydroxide, and now I am waiting overnight before doing my first pull with d-limonene.

Hopefully everything works well. I will update as I continue maybe even take a couple pictures.

 

[Herbaldreams]

I just finished doing three pulls each with 75ml of d-limonene.

I then added these together and attempted to salt out the actives with FASW.

I added 45 ml of FASW to the d-limonene and shook it for ten minutes.

The first time the FASW ended up turning a bright fluorescent yellow. I wish I could find my black light I'm sure it would have glowed under one.

I repeated this two more times by the third time the FASW came off clear.

I am currently evaporating the FASW on low heat.

After it evaporates I will report back with what my yeild looks like. I'll probably try doing a couple more pulls tomorrow to make sure I got everything.

 

[Herbaldreams]

I just finished evaporating the total weight came out to 1g.

I used 500mg of fumaric acid for 150ml of water and I used a total of 135ml of the water with fumaric acid so according to my math that means there should be about 450mg of fumaric acid in there. Giving me a total yield of 550mg or 1.1%.

Not bad for my first try. I might test it tomorrow to see how potent it is.

My next move will be seeing if it is soluble in anhydrous IPA or acetone to see if FASA or FASI might be a viable option.

I should also be receiving some tabernaemontana sananho roots soon. I will see if this works for those as well.

 

[Herbaldreams]

Definently active. 200mg was similar to tea made from 10g, maybe a little bit weaker, not much. I would like to try larger doses of this plant, but I work six days a week and don't have enough spare time to possibly end up tripping for two days. Sometimes I will notice mild effects the next day off the small doses I have tried.

It is very soluble in room temperature anhydrous IPA so looks like FASI precipitation is out of the question. Still need to check out the solubility in acetone, I don't have any on hand at the moment.

 

[sparkgap]

Nice work This tek should be very helpful in working with this and related plants.

I was curious if you could provide more detail regarding the subjective quality of the stimulant effects. For example, aside from the common feature of increased "wakefulness", I can think of at least 5 categories of stimulants with distinct subjective experiences:

1) caffeine
2) amphetamine
3) modafinil
4) ritalin
5) ultra low dose LSD (<25ug)

Granted, as someone who is not a big fan of stimulants, you may not have had much experience with some of these. None-the-less, I was wondering if you offer more information regarding the subjective effects noted relative to other stimulants? In addition, what was the duration of action as a function of dose?

In light of noticing "mild effects the next day" following use, did you notice any changes in the ability to fall asleep or quality of sleep? Thanks!

 

[Kash]

Looking good although there is likely a lot of fumaric acid contamination. Havent heard of this plant sounds interesting.

Substituting in HCl for fumaric may give a purer product as it evaporates away readily.

 

[Herbaldreams]

I used fumaric acid because that's what I had on hand at the moment. It was either that or vinegar and I normally end up with goo when I use vinegar to salt stuff out, so I went with fumaric acid. I'll have to give HCl a try next time. I washed off some of the excess fumaric acid by trying to dissolve it in a small amount of water then evaporating the water. What was left after evaporation tasted bitter and what didn't dissolve tasted like fumaric acid so it seemed to work.

Unfortunately I don't have anymore of this plant to experiment with at the moment. I'm waiting to get my order of t. sananho roots from the same person first before I order more from him. Probably going to try this same process with them possibly usin HCl instead this time.

As far as comparing it to other stimulants, it seemed kinda different from the ones I've tried. It definitely didn't have me grinding my teeth or anything. I was drinking a tea made from it in the mornings instead of coffee for awhile there. It lasted longer and I would get burst of euphoria every now and then. It wasn't like amphetamine. I used to have a prescription to adderall that I definently abused back in high school, but now I won't touch the stuff because I feel strange and just off (not in a good way) when I take it. Also nothing like Ritalin, which I remember mostly just making me feel shaky. I've never done modafinil so I can't really comment on any similarities to that. Maybe there might have been some slight similarities to very low dose LSD, I defininetly though it felt like it might get a little trippy if I upped the dose more. I kind of regret that I didn't when I had more laying around but I'm sure the time will come one day.

I also tryed mixing a small amount of it with a small amount of San Pedro extract and they mixed very well. It reminded me of rolling (something else I used to do pretty often but now have lost interest in) except it felt more natural and I didn't feel run down the next day. The combination was very euphoric.

 

[oomsmog]

by outer cortex you do mean rootbark right?

did you notice that you didnt think of doing unhealthy habbits you normally have during the days following the experience?