First Ayahuasca attempt. Something, but not much.

[GolemGolem]

Today I brewed 3.5G Chaliponga and 3.12G Rue together with the juice of half a lemon at a low boil for three hours, adding more water and a squeeze of lemon once. I ran this through a coffee filter into a mug, leaving me with 1oz or so of liquid that looked like coffee with cream and sugar. It didn't taste that bad, compared to somethings I've tasted (darn you 2C-E).
Not too much happened. Got a tiny bit queasy and crampy stayed that way for most of the afternoon. Never close to purging from either end. My mind felt sober, a little ataxia in the first two hours. The electricity in the house sounded louder than normal, and I could perceive a second lower frequency. I saw a couple very tiny points of light with eyes closed, lights flickered with eyes open. I saw a pale orb float behind me, when it did I felt a *bzzzzt*, then I started coming down and got hungry, ate a snack and went on a short walk around the park.
Next time I think I shall try brewing the rue and chaliponga in separate pots and stagger my doses, upping them to 4g Rue, and 5G chaliponga. Does this sound reasonable? Any suggestions?
Thanks!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

i would do as i had been advised previously, and brew multiple doses (separately would be better - so you can control the ratio). take one dose, wait (i usually wait for over an hour), re-dose as needed.

4g rue and 5g chali make a strong dose, so use caution (if it is your intention to use this large a dose, you will probably only need to brew one dose).

 

[olympus mon]

I wouldnt use coffee filters or anything more than a cotton t-shirt. filters too much alkaloids and neededgoodies.

P.s. Its not ayahausca if your not using Caapi.

 

[GolemGolem]

Thanks for the tips.
I'm brewing tiny batches as I'm new to this, and don't want to waste too much material due to my inexperience. However, a booster would of been nice, next week I'll brew a bit more just in case.
I'll use the tip about using a t-shirt for a filter, and keep my dose the same next time, with extra on hand. I had a feeling this was a problem, as it was a bit fiddly to get the liquid through the paper, had to squeeze it out of there.
What should I call this brew? Next time I have funds I do intend to try mimosa and P. viridis. That might be awhile. I got the rue as I stack sacks of potatoes for a living and it doesn't pay very well, and I's got vet bills.

 

[olympus mon]

yea mate the coffee filters out everything you need. If you saved it Id boid that sucker up as a booster shot.

Some call this Rueausca. Good luck

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

What should I call this brew?

i believe the term would be 'anahuasca'

 

[chocobeastie]

try 8-15 grams of Chaliponga. Not sure why people on this forum take a tiny amount and expect to get more than a tiny effect?

So this sounds like about the effect you can expect to get from 3.5 grams of Chaliponga!

btw, Chaliponga and rue is an awesome combination. It so depends on the strength of your chaliponga, but I just did 8 grams of Chaliponga I thought was strong, and it was quite a mild experience - normally about 15 grams is used for a strong journey.

 

[jamie]

^ you have never had the strong chaliponga strain thats all. Ive extracted chaliponga a number of times. There are strains out there that match mimosa easily in alkaloid content..and with an alkaloid profile that is active at lower doses than mimosa with stronger mental effects.

Then there is a strain that people talk about needing 20g to be active. If you talk to people on the ayahuasca forums many are very aware from personal experience that "chaliponga" is a term you cannot just use generally like this. You cant say you need 20g so someone else needs 20g..you need to concider strains.

 

[Jorkest]

and maybe we need much lower doses because we have this stuff figured out and know how to do it right:twisted:

 

[GolemGolem]

Not that you can trust vendors on these things, but they sure flogged the strong scent of these leaves, and they have a 10 on SOS. No mention of strain, just that they come from Peru. If it turns out I need 20 grams, I'll get there, slowly.
Brewing a batch of 12 grams at the moment, still going to start at 3-4 grams and if I end up drinking the whole thing tomorrow so be it. I got a good feeling on this one.

 

[Baktun14]

Rue itself has few nasty chemicals included that once you look, you probability want to get rid of, not everyone has the time and/or facility over come this. Though its not that tough if you like having a hand in experiments, then you'll have better success. Caapi of course is the traditional holistic route which many have good tips about. I find to get the experiences most hold in high regard, reflecting off of what I've seen, the beta-Carbolines need to be at least a bit higher than commonly recommended. Work up from common amount while using same amount of Chaliponga to feel your way into what chali you got because it has 5meo remember.

Silent darkness on an empty stomach you'll be able to go far. When I'm feeling I'll I utilized a method that as far as I know is unique to me, I pre-dose on 300mg apo-Moclobemide 20 min and then chew 14g of leaves(not pleasant but better than being sick) while consuming I add/eat for shallow trip 150mg more, but one more(or 600mg total) seems to be the real threshold in my opinion. Higher than anyone else will say but only then is it on par 175-200mg of Harmaline in my experience, but with a high ability to snap completely out and disappear if at all disturbed, may be why doesn't work for most. I don't know why it happens for me like that but it will sometimes come back and other times not at all, need more time to experience how and why this happens.

Anyways cheers to future explorations mate !

 

[Baktun14]

Btw, coffee maker is the way to go, its just when I'm sick I really value the extra stuff being in the system, plus the fiber content breaks the intense waves for me when I'm feeling under the weather.