first bowl of caapi leaf with a dmt vape after

[Aviator]

Alright, so I didn't want to go too deep this time since it was my first go with caapi and DMT.

I smoked a bowl or so of caapi leaves from a little spooner pipe then I took a vape hit from my DMT bubbler.

There wasn't much anxiety on the come up and I didn't hear the carrier wave but I did feel that familiar internal pressure that a DMT flash will give before blast off.

I remember sitting there and my copilot just took a monster rip on my bubbler and I thought to myself that I needed a little more. I took what he didn't finish and I vaped it and then it happened. No blast off none of that but the world went from looking normal to geometric in an instant. I said holy shit I'm there to my copilot. I felt a huge rush of energy and I closed my eyes.

Normally, during a DMT flash I'll be totally out of it and everything is out of control. But this was different. I saw four or so entities in front of me flowing out of thing orange brown soupy matter. I freaked out in an excited way and kept trying to communicate with them telepathically. I think my energy freaked them out because they all flew back and huddled together. I was all no no no no I'm chill come back! I'm chill!

Then one came towards me and this guy looked freaky. Big eye sockes but it was looking at my almost like it was squinting. The look of it freaked me out and I snapped back with a pretty good amount of body load but no more visuals.

I had the chance to take a bigger hit but I've got some things going on that are stressing me out a little so I decided not to dive too deep.

So, anyway, does this sounds like a changa-esque experience? I plan on making some soon. I just have a bag of caapi, mullein, and some free base DMT. Any reccomendations in regards to ratios?

I don't plan to do anymore extracting for a while so I just want to use what I've got as is.

 

[starway6]

what kind of DMT did you use?..mimosa or acacia?

 

[Gianluca]

If you smoke caapi leaves are they still acting as an MAOI?

 

[Aviator]

I use mimosa extracted with naphtha. The crystals have a yellow tinge and there are clumps of a brown goey stubstance throughout it. I also have clear to white large crystals. I prefer the yellow though.

Yes, I believe smoking the leaves gets the maoi into your system. I've had a lot of DMT flashes but smoking with caapi is definitely different. Not as much anxiety and during the journey I can actually think and react to what I'm seeing and feeling. Mind you this wasn't a full breakthrough... it was sub but still different than a sub flash.

 

[Felnik]

I never go without some caapi leaf in the mix. Its an important element in my experience.

Its a protector / intermediary of some kind. DMT alone is not the same. Through lots of trial , error and experience i've come to realize that ayahuasca in some form whether leaf or tea is the teacher plant. The synergy of the 2 elements togethor is where the real magic happens.

 

[Aviator]

Interesting perspective. Like caapi is the guide and DMT is the hyperspace ship that takes you "there".

 

[Felnik]

Yes man if you study traditional Ayahuasca use in South America in its most basic form
DMT is the light and Ayahuasca is the teacher. DMT as illuminator Aya as interpreter or translator.
Its the only way to travel in my humble opinion , stick with it you'll see.

 

[Aviator]

Thank you for the new perspective! The DMT flash has been one hell of an experience and then some but I'm feeling ready for this new kind of journey.

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

Sounds like you had a nice first ride with some Cappi added.:d

Looks like you have basics to make some Changa.

Do you have just plain Cappi leaves?

You might want to think about 10x ing them before you make Changa with them. Plain leaf is not that strong of an inhibitor, so many people do this.

It is a little bit of work but not as much as a normal extraction. ( you mentioned not wanting to extract for a while )
There are plenty of teks and talk of this here at the nexus.
Here a link to get your started, if ya want.
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Its worth it!
Plain leaf will work but you might have to smoke more of it.

 

[Aviator]

Alright, I'll give this a try!

I've got plenty of leaves

Do you suppose this would work if I evaporated the menstruum on mullein only without any actual caapi leaves in the final product?

I think I plan on doing 25% DMT and 75% mullein infused with x10 caapi leaf extract. Is this too harmala heavy?

 

[starway6]

I use mimosa extracted with naphtha. The crystals have a yellow tinge and there are clumps of a brown goey stubstance throughout it. I also have clear to white large crystals. I prefer the yellow though.

Yes, I believe smoking the leaves gets the maoi into your system. I've had a lot of DMT flashes but smoking with caapi is definitely different. Not as much anxiety and during the journey I can actually think and react to what I'm seeing and feeling. Mind you this wasn't a full breakthrough... it was sub but still different than a sub flash.

Interesting..!
Sounds like cappi smooths out the come up some!

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

Why not use the Caapi leaves? I would keep them in.

How much Changa do you want to make?

Say you want to make a smaller batch, just to get a
Feel for it.

I would make some 1/1, 1g spice and the other gram
I would do 75% 10x Cappi & 25% mulluen.

Play around with it, make several small batches of different kinds and test them out to see what you like.

If you decied you like Cappi and want to keep her around, you might want to consider doing an extraction. Having some extracted Harmalas around is nice and it has many uses.

 

[lobo]

Well i made 15x caapi leaf. I soak the leaf in medicine ethanol 96º for two week and then put 1 gram of caapi and spice and let it dry.... in two days ill try!!!

 

[Gianluca]

Sorry , one last question then...When you use the Caapi leaves to smoke with the DMT does it still have the same dangers as regular MAOI's?

 

[Aviator]

@starway6

That's a good way to look at it. I personally don't have enough experience to say yes or no yet but it appears that way and from others have said.

@Mz.Gypzy

Well, I'd still be getting the caapi in a way. It's just be 10x infused mullein. I mean I can put the actual caapi leaf in there if there are some benefits but if not I guess I'll just try straight mullein. The one benefit I can imagine is that it would hold a cherry better after being lit because the caapi seems to burn a bit longer than mullein.

@lobo

Let us know how it is!

@Gianluca

Well, I can't say with 100% certainty that it does or does not. I would err on the side of caution with this though especially if you try a 10x or 20x batch. Your health and safety comes first.

I would do some research to find out if anything you are taking is affected by an MAOI.

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

Hey Aviator, I guess for me, I would keep it in as respect for the plant. No good reason to throw it out. May sound silly but I wouldn't want to extract the goodies from the Caapi and then toss all the leaves aside.
I guess it doesn't really matter. Its all personal preference.

Gianluca,
Yes in the way that you would not want to mix them with other substances or chemicals that would cause an adverse reaction like serotonin syndrome. But, I don't think you have to follow the food restrictions as close as you would with something like Ayahuasca.

If your still unsure here's some reading that will help answer those questions.

From Wiki
DO NOT use MAOIs (so for example an ayahuasca brew) together with stimulants (like mdma/amphetamines) or SSRI medication (like prozac), this can cause serotonin syndrome and lead to convulsions or even death.

Health & Safety

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