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First Death By THC...?

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Sad, and cruel.

Don't get your pets high. It's abuse and animal cruelty.

I doubt it was the THC that killed your poor fish, as it is not water soluable.

I am going to talk with the other mods and see if you deserve a suspension for this. You really should be ashamed of yourself.
 
yeah, I really shouldnt even post to this, it seems like it doesn't even warrant discussion... but yeah, I agree with everyone, there's simply no moral or ethical justification to test recreational drugs on animals... whether you should get your pet drunk/high is a different discussion... I mean, I believe a pets sentience is as valid as ours, I dont have any because I cant deal with the repsonsibility or mess, but if I did I'd assume it'd be a bit like a friend rather than a possession, if I knew the drug was ok and they enjoyed it, I may give them some, I have a friend who has guests over on weekends, if they're drinking he generally puts a little beer in his dogs dish, I like the spirit of it somehow and the dog loves it, rather than being scared by the strangers, he plays with them instead... pretty cute really, we're only talking a few hundred ml's here... but testing on a fish and killing it, it feels very very wrong.... not as bad as that rabbit gland thread which I couldn't even read.
 
lbeing789 said:
I dont have any because I cant deal with the repsonsibility or mess, but if I did I'd assume it'd be a bit like a friend rather than a possession
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Right on! That shows some full thought processes!
I love animals but didn't have a pet for a long, long time for that same reason. I couldn't afford to care for it..all the time. There used to be periods when I would be flat broke for weeks at a time & couldn't be the person who would have to let his pet starve because he can't afford to buy food.
I'm happy to say that those times are past for me & I now have a cat who is my little buddy!!

To some people (like me) a pet is a close friend, we care & communicate with each other 100%!! There is no doubt that my cat knows what he is doing & understands most of what I say to him. If he wants something, like his food dish is empty or something, he'll come get me & pull on my shit or pants until I realize that he's trying to get me to follow him. Then he runs over to whatever he is trying to show me & stands on it meowing at me until I get the picture. Smart 'lil guy!!

To other people though animals are nothing more than a possession like lbeing789 said so eloquently! And that makes me sick!!
Like these idiots who buy a pit bull (or other bigger dogs) to throw in their backyard & never play with it, never take care of it, never show it any love...it's just a security blanket for them!
They think all they need to do to have a watch-dog is to buy a big dog & throw it in the yard. Some people even purposely beat them to make it vicious towards people. (protection?:roll: )
Luckily these jerks end up getting the brunt of the dogs aggression a lot of times. (go dog!)
Unfortunately, the people who think this way a lot of times also see everything else that way too...other people for instance are just another possession or tool to use to get what they want.
It is sad.


BTW, my cat loves the smell of pot smoke!!
If there is some in the air wafting by him, he closes his eyes & breaths it in, then comes & sits down by us & continues to that.
But I have no clue if he enjoys getting high!
I don't blow it in his face...I don't know if he breaths in enough 2nd-hand smoke to get high. He doesn't act any different afterward & I'm not about to force it on him either.
But he does love to smell it!! can't really blame him for that...it does smell so damn good!😉

That is some seriously brainless high school shit to force drugs on animals!
And it's that kind of crap that continues to give people the idea that MJ makes you stupid!!
But it's the result of stupid people to begin with, not stupid pot smoke!


WS
 
warrensaged said:
Like these idiots who buy a pit bull to throw in their backyard & never play with it, never take care of it, never show it any love...it's just a security blanket for them!
They think all they need to do to have a watch-dog is to buy a big dog & throw it in the yard. Some people even purposely beat them to make it vicious towards people. (protection?:roll: )
Luckily these jerks end up getting the brunt of the dogs aggression a lot of times. (go dog!)
Unfortunately, the people who think this way a lot of times also see everything else that way too...other people for instance are just another possession or tool to use to get what they want.
It is sad.

WS
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It's truly sad. Especially because when brought up in proper conditions, pit bulls are some of the most kind and loving dogs I've ever encountered. It's very unfortunate that pit bulls suffer such discrimination. The issue isn't the breed, but the people who are attracted to them, their intentions, and the way they raise them. :(
 
oh yeah, there is plenty of evidence to suggest most drugs work very similarly on animals... I mean, it's not a stretch to imagine beer or weed works the exact same on all mammals (in fact, I'm pretty sure they do, it's a safe bet anyway)... but a fish??
 
Most people like theobromine (the main alkaloid in chocolate), but it can easily kill a dog. Just because a human likes something doesn’t mean an animal will.

All animals react differently to drugs. That's why LD50 values for drugs vary for all animals. All of them. Not even monkeys react the same way humans do to all drugs and they are very closely related to us.

This business of forcing animals to take drugs is a serious form of animal abuse. I don’t like the fact that people still do this. I would hope that at some time in the future mankind will collectively be empathetic enough towards animals to realize this is an awful thing to do. Unfortunately, some people even force other people to take drugs without their consent. It makes you wonder just how “intelligent” mankind actually is.
 
kemist said:
Infundibulum said:
69ron said:
You have no idea if any animal actually likes it.
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SWIM used to know a guy whose rats sure loved weed. They loved to steal it, stash it and eat it. They would attack and defend it with ferocious passion if one tried to retrieve it. It was a total fight. The weed stealing thing sometimes assumed massive proportions. When these rats were realising that there's a joint going on they'd get out of their hiding places and pester everyone trying to find the weed.

SWIM owns a dog, if this dog realises there's a joint going on she'll just sit next to you and will start "chasing the dragon".
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I personaly know one alcoholic dog. It was a bit annoying sharing pints with her when she turned to pub with her meth addicted owner(skinny girl):)
Irresistible, lol
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I had a cat that HATED cannabis and would scratch the hell out of anyone smoking it. Smart cat:)

Like I said, you have no idea if your animal actually likes it. Even drug addicted animals may not even like the drug they are addicted to. Addiction is more than liking something. It's a chemical need for the drug that has created an imbalance in the person or animal using it.

So, mice are known to use cocaine over and over until they die, actually preferring it to food. So does that mean its good to give cocaine to mice?
 
69ron said:
Most people like theobromine (the main alkaloid in chocolate), but it can easily kill a dog. Just because a human likes something doesn’t mean an animal will.

All animals react differently to drugs. That's why LD50 values for drugs vary for all animals. All of them. Not even monkeys react the same way humans to do all drugs and they are very closely related to us.

This business of forcing animals to take drugs is a serious form of animal abuse. I don’t like the fact that people still do this. I would hope that at some time in the future mankind will collectively be empathetic enough towards animals to realize this is awful thing to do. Unfortunately, some people even force other people to take drugs without their consent. It makes you wonder just how “intelligent” mankind actually is.
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I would expect LD50's to be different because of just physical variation... then genetic variations in the first place... so of course in the strictest sense animals react differently and of course the level of understanding is so low, skuzzies shoudnt be giving anything to anything :).. BUT the variation of effect is not that different... I mean, they do test drugs on mice because they are closely related, then closer to our genetics (monkeys)....

I should have been clear on just beer and weed, but also that I don't think humans should test drugs on animals period.. I mean, if our species invents something new it should be willing to test it on itself first (I'm sure a lot of us on this board know the feeling I'm referring to)... that being said, in effect recreational drugs are in the same boat with humans, I see people taking stuff all the time, the whole world is doing it, but what usually happens is a friend gives something to a friend and they take the calculated risk... the calculated risk of giving beer to a dog or blowing smoke in a cats face is small.... but who knows? :)

I do know the calculated risk of blowing smoke to a fish is extremely high!
 
I remember hearing a recent story about horse and carriages being banned in cities because it was considered cruelty to the horse...you know, it wasn't fare for the horse to drag carriages around in a city, not it's natural habitat... I couldn't help but think, why isn't MY city job considered cruelty to humans? :)
 
The act was not done with the intention of cruelty, in fact quite the opposite if you've ever smoked with your cat or dog before you'd probably agree (most cats and dogs not all). And the the death was something I did not foresee happening. My interest in animal intoxication was sort of sparked by the "stoned ape theory" brought on by terrence mckenna. The only reason I even posted the story, was to inform others on what not to do if they love their fish. If i would have thought it would have killed the fish, i would have never done it.

I admit it was irresponsible and do truly regret it, but i disagree that it should be considered an act of cruelty.

I feel as if the Traveler understands what I was trying to communicate, but I feel a lot of people are misinterpreting the whole thing.

Lesson learned
 
Even among humans, there are differences in sensitivity for certain substances.
-People who have ADHD respond differently to most drugs, because of an extra dopamine receptor they have.
-asians respond differently to alcohol then westerners, because of an enzyme they don't have.

Not to mention all the possible allergies people might have.

We all know cat's love catmint for some reason. Maybe it's their weed.
And maybe they call hemp 'peoplemint'....
 
Hey droplet.. I understand where you were coming from, it's not cool but its not evil, I mean, if you were genuinely acting with the intention of giving your fish a nice time, then I don't think you're cruel.. it was irresponsible though and you already know that so....

Yeah, it's interesting how this has sparked another topic though... the point has been made a few times now, we don't even know the drug variation among humans, let alone animals... so there is a certain amount of risk associated with giving your friend a drug let alone your pet. That doesn't necessarily mean that you shouldn't take that risk, I guess it depends on how you score it... droplet, your risk assessment was horribly off!
 
droplet said:
The act was not done with the intention of cruelty, in fact quite the opposite if you've ever smoked with your cat or dog before you'd probably agree (most cats and dogs not all). And the the death was something I did not foresee happening. My interest in animal intoxication was sort of sparked by the "stoned ape theory" brought on by terrence mckenna. The only reason I even posted the story, was to inform others on what not to do if they love their fish. If i would have thought it would have killed the fish, i would have never done it.

I admit it was irresponsible and do truly regret it, but i disagree that it should be considered an act of cruelty.

I feel as if the Traveler understands what I was trying to communicate, but I feel a lot of people are misinterpreting the whole thing.

Lesson learned
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Thank you for posting this.
 
Sorry to hear about the loss of your fish...

I have rats/mice that are fed *something* to reduce pain, fear, and duration of suffering when they are fed to my snakes.
I do agree that testing drugs on animals is cruel, giving *something* to animals that seem to like it isn't cruel at all.

The difference is having a purpose.
Forcefully getting animals messed up just to see what happens is... kinda stupid... and a waste of perfectly good *something*!
 
Infundibulum said:
69ron said:
You have no idea if any animal actually likes it.
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SWIM used to know a guy whose rats sure loved weed. They loved to steal it, stash it and eat it. They would attack and defend it with ferocious passion if one tried to retrieve it. It was a total fight. The weed stealing thing sometimes assumed massive proportions. When these rats were realising that there's a joint going on they'd get out of their hiding places and pester everyone trying to find the weed.

SWIM owns a dog, if this dog realises there's a joint going on she'll just sit next to you and will start "chasing the dragon".
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Are you foreal? THats hillarious and awesome :)
 
When i got the fish at walmart they put a couple of drops of something in with the fish anyway to keep it from getting a heart attack. Some sort of sedative since fish are really prone to heart attacks he told me. I wonder what it was he gave the fish.
 
droplet said:
The act was not done with the intention of cruelty, in fact quite the opposite if you've ever smoked with your cat or dog before you'd probably agree (most cats and dogs not all). And the the death was something I did not foresee happening. My interest in animal intoxication was sort of sparked by the "stoned ape theory" brought on by terrence mckenna. The only reason I even posted the story, was to inform others on what not to do if they love their fish. If i would have thought it would have killed the fish, i would have never done it.

I admit it was irresponsible and do truly regret it, but i disagree that it should be considered an act of cruelty.

I feel as if the Traveler understands what I was trying to communicate, but I feel a lot of people are misinterpreting the whole thing.

Lesson learned
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droplet said:
but I feel a lot of people are misinterpreting the whole thing.
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ACTIONS speak louder than words.
And you couldn't even say sorry.
 
Is this thread really goin on for this long...

This is kind of ridiculous...

All i wanted to do is tell people not to smoke their fish out and why...

Bokuden, I'm not going to apologize to anyone on this forum for accidentally killing my pet fish. To all those calling me an asshole for killing the fish, i bet they've all killed spiders and cockroaches intentionally before, which in my opinion is worse since it was taking a life intentionally.

Perhaps an animal intoxication thread should be opened to let this topic evolve into something more positive and fruitful. If that was done, then this thread should be closed because nothing more is being gained from this except for pointless finger wagging.

There are plenty of animals that intentionally get intoxicated, from moths and sloths, to monkeys and reindeer. I feel like that topic warrants more research, especially in understanding our own predicament as an animal prone to intoxication of many sorts.


READ FOOD OF THE GODS!!!
 
man you should check out Dinosaur eel fishs

he survived and is doing great, those things are crazy. They can survive out of water from 8- 12 hours supposedly...

look cool too
 
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