first experiences with changa

[cheddar_bob]

in the past i've been totally blown away with salvia extracts so was a bit timid when starting to explore DMT. i've had a small number of experiences over the last 4 months with changa, and maybe its subjective that the changa is 'easier' launch than the saliva but its still intimidating. It is NOT something i find myself being able to do on a 'whim'... (ie. got my **** done for the night, how about a bowl...) i find i have to mentally prepare for the experience to build up the nerve.

i should have gone with straight caapi leaf on the first batch, but instead i put together a concentrated extract of caapi leaves, blue lotus & pao d'arco that i evapped on mullein and then weighed out 1:1 to make the changa. So, there is going to be heavy caapi, blue lotus and pao influence in the smoke which i'm sure makes it more complex than straight caapi + dmt.

initially i'd try to weigh out a bit and load it to smoke but lately i've just stuffed a pipe like i would with MJ and rip into it. thus far i've never gotten past 3 tokes before i find myself setting the pipe down. usually by the time i've finished exhaling the first toke the 'carrier wave' sensation is coming on and builds through the 2nd toke; when i first started i was putting the pipe down at that point thinking "this is coming on hard", but i've pushed on to taking a 3rd toke and usually by the time i've exhaled and put the pipe down things are changing. its pretty consistent for me to enter the experience with what i term "lego vision" where my vision of physical reality turns to one where it appears everything is built of lego blocks before then drifting into 'hyperspace' (it doesn't feel like a launch but a fading from one into another). I haven't read anyone else mentioning this 'lego vision', but its very consistent for me (perhaps due to added components to the smoke).

the first time i really got there, i layed on the couch very still to try to interalize it all (which i find works very very well for me when exploring with 'shrooms) but in this case i quickly felt like i was 'hiding' from it and as i diverted my awareness back 'out' it was like i was actually navigating a space where visions would change as i turned my head to look in different directions.

it is a very foreign experience with highly contrasting colors forming ever-changing geometric shapes. eyes opened or closed does not make a difference whether the visuals are present but does seem to change it, as i've noticed if i'm sitting there with my eyes closed watching the fractals but then open my eyes, the fractals still completely encompass my vision but change to a different 'setting' and pattern. as soon as I close my eyes again the patterns change again, not back to what they were before, but to a whole new scene. either way, visually, i'm in complete hyperspace and do not see anything in ordinary reality until the come down where i drift back to 'lego vision' and then baseline.

i've read many experiences discussing entities or elves but i have yet to see any. I had ONE experience that was odd/interesting where i really made the most of those 3 tokes and as i shifted back into the couch and started exploring, i had the sensation of being watched... not in a spooky way or intimidating way; but in the way i would think someone would watch as a new guest in their home explored all the trinkets and pictures you'd have out. i did not 'see' any entities but i sensed there were several just watching me non-judgingly.

I'm sure a 4th toke would catapult me further but i've yet worked up the nerve... im not sure why as when i come out i'm not 'shaken' but i think its just due to how foreign the experience is. i'm the most experienced psychonaut out of my circles of friends and usually need heroic doses to 'get there' and then just enjoy it, but i'm exploring salvia and dmt on my own and they are VERY different...

i am eager to try ayahuasca and plan to due a caapi tea with weighed fumarate salts but again am a bit intimidated. i would prefer to do it on a saturday night, but my opportunities are few and far between as having things line up where i'm mentally prepared for it, am free from responsibility for the weekend and have time to brew up the tea in preparation doesn't seem to happen often.

a way i think about it is that the psychedelic experience expands consciousness and that level cannot be fully supported so the more time in regular reality between those experiences is more time where consciousness contracts. ultimately i seem to have periods where i feel deficient or clouded, where i feel i needed to 'wipe the slate clean' or 'blow out the cobwebs' and would seek out a psychedelic experience to reground me and expand the consciousness as a cleansing experience. I think ayahuasca would be tremendously helpful in this respect, but have yet to get to that point where my sense of contracted consciousness overcomes my intimidation of what may come.

 

[cheddar_bob]

I thought someone would have a comment or guidance to offer.

 

[DiaMondTongue]

Nice to hear your report cheddar_bob...

It sounds like you're well grounded and having fun exploring that space by yourself without taking it too fast or making any unnecessary risks.

I'm sure if you had asked any questions somebody would have offered guidance but it seems from your report that you are pretty 'sure footed' as is.

I hope you continue to enjoy and share your experiences. I particularly like the 'lego vision' remark... I may have to borrow it

Safe travels

 

[modsquad09]

hmm lego vision that sounds fun.

I remember my cat turning into elctricity/2-d paper like image kinda like some louis wain art.

perfect example right here,

https://audiohno.tumblr.com%2Fpost%2F4451652221

then my cat was like oh no your coming into my world, youve really done it this time, went too far, and then i went to hyperspace. lol

 

[Pihuechenyi]

Yes, i've had some effects that sound like 'lego vision'. For me it seems like everything is made up of blocky pixels like an eighties computer game, except those blocks are in HD. I had this on changa recently and it was just so much fun being aware enough to look at everything and enjoy the view. When this happens also my living room seems to magically clear of any clutter. I know about set and setting but when you have a two year old it's hard to be free of clutter!

 

[cheddar_bob]

You're right in that I didn't ask any real questions... I do appreciate the feedback thOugh. I try to be As careful as i can and do this in a well informed way (thanks to all the posts here at the nexus I've pulled together a lot of guidance from others posts)

I guess I was seeking reassurance to my approach. Hyperspace is a very foreign experience and saying I sound "sure footed" certainly helps my confidence but doesn't make me any less anxious about that 4th toke.

Do you think #4 would be breakthrough or am I still (from descriptions thus far) to low on dose?

Is Aya just a longer experience in that same place or is there more to it?

Thanks everyOne! I look forward to being able to offer further experiences to the community as time goes by

 

[modsquad09]

You're right in that I didn't ask any real questions... I do appreciate the feedback thOugh. I try to be As careful as i can and do this in a well informed way (thanks to all the posts here at the nexus I've pulled together a lot of guidance from others posts)

I guess I was seeking reassurance to my approach. Hyperspace is a very foreign experience and saying I sound "sure footed" certainly helps my confidence but doesn't make me any less anxious about that 4th toke.

Do you think #4 would be breakthrough or am I still (from descriptions thus far) to low on dose?

Is Aya just a longer experience in that same place or is there more to it?

Thanks everyOne! I look forward to being able to offer further experiences to the community as time goes by

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you need to get it all in one or two big hits, make the changa stronger.

I would say just use a oil burner or the machine, or smoke the changa out of a waterpipe.

SWime uses a oil burner and has success. 2-3 big lung fulls, and hold them in, do this this on acid or shrooms. Or get a maoi then go for it.

 

[cheddar_bob]

i'll have to try that.

another question i thought of posing (long winded):

from my description of what i've experienced from changa thus far along with what i've read of the experiences of all you more well traveled than I, i get the impression there is a threshold i've yet to cross which is beyond words... i have had very deep and meaningful experiences with other psychedelics, but what i've experienced so far has just been odd/interesting/unbelievable with visuals beyond anything i could have imagined and a few short lived realizations. once that threshold is crossed does one have that same sense of unity/beauty/love that i've experienced on something like shrooms or is it just absolute bizzaroland? i feel there is more for me to learn even from the shallow depths i've traveled thus far, but curiousity of what flavor the deeper levels hold is a question i've been trying to find an answer to.

 

[WarriorPriest]

You know, part of your experience sounds like you crossed the threshold (eyes open or closed did not matter), but in my experience, once you have truly crossed the threshold, there can be little doubt that you have. To my mind, it seems that you were very very close to crossing, but not quite there. It's so strange, powerful and beautiful that no matter how many times it happens, you will always come back with your mind asking "WTF was THAT?"

For me, a true breakthrough is more than just fractals, even as unimaginable as they may be. It's more like those fractals become a place. A real place, twisting, and changing in ways that cannot be described by language in a meaningful way. There is meaning there, and knowledge, and communication occurring on many levels at once. And most times, it really isn't entirely dependent solely upon dosage. When you are ready to go, it can happen perhaps on a smaller dose than one has taken before.

I have had contact with entities, but it has not happened on every trip, even on successive breakthroughs. Sometimes they are there, sometimes not, or at least not in a format that I can always process

WP

 

[modsquad09]

yea youll just know. swim always saw some type of entity on breakthrough

 

[mush_mage]

Hi all,

I've been recently delving into the world of Changa and I came across this thread so I thought I'd throw my two cents in. I too have experienced the Lego vision, although it happened primarily on my first straight dmt trip which was a serious breakthrough, everything went block like early on and I was taken to another place of which I cannot for the life of me describe.

Anyway, I just finished my first extraction with 10x caapi leaf. I have some very sticky 1:1 caapi/mix ready to go. I wanted to test it out last night but it wasn't quite ready. Interestingly enough while I was preparing my various changa recipes, I made a sneaky batch of just straight caapi leaves and some older dmt. That batch had dried in time for last night so I packed the cone and took a nice long slow rip from the bong until it was all gone. While drawing in I was thinking, gosh this is brave, but I kept going reassuring myself that it was only a little bit of un-concentrated caapi leaf and dmt. Well I instantly felt warm all over, but it was an internal warmth, almost like after you have a nice shot of something when you come in from the cold, but all over my body. I felt amazing and so at peace and then the trip really started. It was much more intense than I had expected and with eyes open my Persian rug was electric and alive. All up I was somewhere else for a good 15 minutes, the afterglow lasted an hour or more. I felt amazing afterwards and spent the evening discussing some pretty profound things with my friend who also participated. So the overall impression is, wow.

One thing I've noticed with my earlier trials with just the enhanced leaf (no MAOI) is that it seems much more accessible. Smaller doses seem to go further and in some cases when I'm in bed late at night I have true breakthrough like experiences on very light doses. Granted the visions are much more subdued than a heroic dose. My experience however is that through the use of meditation I have been able to mentally potentate the trips. I'm really amazed at the power of these plants. One other interesting thing I've found was in a batch of enhanced leaf I made with salvia, mullien and sun opener. The vibrations were amazing and I saw the the spirit of salvia herself smiling at me from within the wood grain on my chair.

I'm really loving this changa technology.

 

[Uno]

Good, easy to read report, cheddar_bob.

For me, the entire experience is alive, even when I don't see or sense entities. The patterns, the visuals, everything, is alive, conscious, and has intelligence. Even on mild sub-breakthrough doses. And that is one of the most interesting things (out of a very long list) about it to me. Didn't expect that until I did it the first time.

And I can't even fathom getting to 4 tokes with my 1:1 batch. One monster hit and bye-bye.

 

[modsquad09]

so do you put any plain herb on top for the changa? or just a regular lighter flame right to the material? or would a torch be better?

wouldnt that destroy the spice/make it harsher?


and is there any difference between a oil burner and changa experience wise? say if i just use a non psychoactive herb.

 

[cheddar_bob]

the first few times i tried to weight out controlled doses and keep the flame just above it but my results were unsatisfactory. lately i just stuff the bowl with changa like i would with bud and hit it. granted its not very controlled and probably wasteful but so far its been getting the job done just fine. i usually hold the lighter to it the first hit and then on 2nd and 3rd give it just enough to provoke the burning matter to vaporize the material around it. i get thick bellowing hits this way.

stinks like melted crayons though

 

[modsquad09]

the first few times i tried to weight out controlled doses and keep the flame just above it but my results were unsatisfactory. lately i just stuff the bowl with changa like i would with bud and hit it. granted its not very controlled and probably wasteful but so far its been getting the job done just fine. i usually hold the lighter to it the first hit and then on 2nd and 3rd give it just enough to provoke the burning matter to vaporize the material around it. i get thick bellowing hits this way.

stinks like melted crayons though

lol that sounds pretty harsh, is it? the thick smoke rather than vapor always hurts my lungs and throat li ei burned them, and very unpleasent trips usually follow, and plus just having that burnt taste and feeling throught the trip is kinda grounding and dysphoric for me.

made some 1:1 with catnip, so should i put fresh regular cat nip on top of the changa? i didn't really understand how you did that with the bud and all.

 

[cheddar_bob]

its not harsh at all and there really is no noticable taste to the smoke, but the smell always reminds me of crayons. although it doesn't distract me from the task at hand, once im back to this reality i always imagine that smell to be what i'd expect if i had left one of those 64 packs of crayolas with the built in sharpener in the back on my dashboard, in august, while i was at work all day