first extraction, Q21Q21 with sunflower oil help

[inaniel]

I will soon attempt my first extraction, using Q21Q21's tek, replacing limonene with sunflower oil.


I will preface by saying that throughout my academic career I never once took a chemistry class, and can have a tendency to get really confused while reading over teks, especially with regards to chemicals used and their reactions. When acronyms are thrown in it starts to read like a foreign language. Couple that with the fact that I've never worked well from reading instructions but rather hands on experimentation.



So the purpose of this thread is to outline my steps, as writing it out helps me understand the process a bit better, as well as ask a few questions with regards to possible alternate steps, and to ensure I'm following procedure properly.


Materials:

1. Sunflower Oil
2. Mrs. Wages Pickling lime
3. sodium carbonate, which i intend to make by baking baking soda. is my understanding of this correct?
4. Vinegar
5. Glass mason jars
6. Glass turkey baster
7. shot glass


1. Okay, so I will begin by adding 100 grams of Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark to my glass mason jar, adding vinegar until is starts to clump. I will then add near boiling water, enough so that it will tilt from side to side.


2. This will sit for about 40 minutes, stirring periodically. Will add about 75 grams of lime, stirring until there is no red visible. Will add Water if necessary to ensure right consistency, that of thick oatmeal.


3. Next I will add about 200ml of sunflower oil, mixing to ensure it covers surface of Mimosa but making sure its not absorbed by it. Mix for about twenty minutes. I will let this sit for a day or two.



4. This is where i get a bit confused by the wording of the tek, but i will type out what i think the process is to see if its correct. So, I will pour off the sunflower oil into another mason jar, filtering with a funnel/cotton ball or coffee filter. Next, I will pour a shot of vinegar into the jar (into the jar which i poured off the oil), close tightly and shake vigorously. Using the turkey baster, I will suck the vinegar out of the bottom of the jar and put it into another container. Then add another shot, this time of water, to the container with the oil. Agitate it, then use the turkey baster to suck out the water, and pour it into the container with the vinegar. correct?



Then, as i plan to use this tek to make changa, i can take one of two steps. either

a) evaporate the vinegar, which will leave me with a goo. add sodium carbonate to this, then add a bit of water to make a paste. I would then dry this, add it to a glass of IPA, mixing this well, then allowing it to settle. Will decant the IPA from the glass, then repeat this a few times. Once the IPA evaps, I will be left with freebase DMT?




or i could instead to b) mix the goo with equal amounts of sodium carbonate on a dish. stir, and spread evenly across dish. Add more water and carefully tilt across the dish, decant, and repeat until satisfied that all byproduct has been removed. Then firmly spread product across dish until it thickens and allow to dry.



so one of my question is, which step will be more efficient? The IPA or sodium carbonate/water only?



I also have another question. I am very patient and I'm in no hurry to complete this, would the first step of Cyb's Max Ion tek be appropriate to use here? Mainly the freeze, thaw, and eight hour vinegar bath.




Any input, explanations to something i did wrong, advice is much appreciated. thanks!

 

[Smoothers]

Uhm.. Am I just too new to this, but why are there 2 bases? "Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime" and "Sodium Carbonate" ..?
Is the pickling lime not good enough on its own?

Also I see this is an A/B tek.. But you are not doing any fat pulls between steps 1 and 2 ?
Why not just do a STB tek, to me it just seems unnecessary to acidify the mix if you are not utilizing this by doing a fat pull?

Otherwise maybe I'm all wrong, which is very possible

EDIT: sorry I was unfamiliar with the tek ignore this ^^^^ now I see it is for swiftness, my bad

Just my $0.02 I am a bit new to this so maybe I am incorrect

 

[inaniel]

i thought the sodium carbonate was used in the crystallization process? i don't know really, hence this thread.

 

[DreaMTripper]

There are many questions in many threads im sure someone will answer you soon enough.

 

[inaniel]

i do have plenty of acacia and mimosa. i suppose i could just jump in and learn the old fashioned way, it's not as though i'm using anything hazardous.

 

[Smoothers]

Sorry didn't see your using Carbonate to clean, your tek looks good. My bad here

I recommend doing (a) with the IPA wash, you will end up with a possibly much cleaner product that decanting water and carbonate only method looks a bit too finicky.. Like you could easily pull some excess carbonate across..

I would recommend IPA

 

[inaniel]

cheers!

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

3. Next I will add about 200ml of sunflower oil, mixing to ensure it covers surface of Mimosa but making sure its not absorbed by it. Mix for about twenty minutes. I will let this sit for a day or two.

letting the oil sit wouldn't do much. just stir it until the color changes, and the pull is basically done (20 minutes would certainly suffice)

4. This is where i get a bit confused by the wording of the tek, but i will type out what i think the process is to see if its correct. So, I will pour off the sunflower oil into another mason jar, filtering with a funnel/cotton ball or coffee filter. Next, I will pour a shot of vinegar into the jar (into the jar which i poured off the oil), close tightly and shake vigorously. Using the turkey baster, I will suck the vinegar out of the bottom of the jar and put it into another container. Then add another shot, this time of water, to the container with the oil. Agitate it, then use the turkey baster to suck out the water, and pour it into the container with the vinegar. correct?

correct, this would be called a salting. you will probably want to do multiple saltings to get all your product out of the oil.

a) evaporate the vinegar, which will leave me with a goo. add sodium carbonate to this, then add a bit of water to make a paste. I would then dry this, add it to a glass of IPA, mixing this well, then allowing it to settle. Will decant the IPA from the glass, then repeat this a few times. Once the IPA evaps, I will be left with freebase DMT?

yes, assuming your ISO had little to no water in it (you can bake some epsom salt in the oven, and then use that to dehydrate your isopropyl), as sodium carbonate is soluble in water, so some minor contam is possible (which doesn't necessarily mean its significant), if there is enough water in your iso

B works fine too.

as for which is better? its a matter of personal preference. do what you feel is easiest/best.

I also have another question. I am very patient and I'm in no hurry to complete this, would the first step of Cyb's Max Ion tek be appropriate to use here? Mainly the freeze, thaw, and eight hour vinegar bath.

yea, that would definitely help, as it lyses the cells.


sounds like you are well prepared for the extraction process, as far as comprehension goes

 

[inaniel]

thanks! much appreciated.



so now i have one more silly question:



the first step of Cyb's Max Ion tek pdf says to heat the mixture in a water bath for an hour, is this directly in a pot or is this done by placing the vessel in a pot? the next step specifies to heat the vessel for eight hours, but the first doesn't.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

hot water bath refers to soaking a container in a bath of hot (near-boiling, sometimes even hotter) water, so as to heat the contents of said container

 

[dooby]

If you're doing a hot water bath on your stove, use the "bain marie" technique (vessel in pot of water in a bigger pot of water, bottoms don't touch) or if you're not doing it on the stove, just put your vessel in a pot, fill this pot with hot water...

If you have your vessel in a single pot sitting on the stove, it may get too hot (unless you place something that doesn't conduct heat between your vessel and the pots bottom)

I have noticed that warm/hot water baths lose their temperature very rapidly thus necessitating frequent refills with hot water: not efficient...

I am now going to experiment with warm/hot vegetable oil as a medium for my "water" baths as I suspect it will cool down more slowly...

Good luck and may your yield be pure and plentiful...

PLUR

 

[inaniel]

Very much appreciate your help, Parshvik and dooby.


So, I finally started my extraction and have this sitting in my window awaiting the evaporation, but i have a feeling something doesn't look right. Is that water on the bottom that i need to remove? I found the turkey baster to be a bit troublesome...


i was also under the impression that the color would be more red or yellow. did i do something wrong?

 

[inaniel]

bump!

 

[DreaMTripper]

Yeah I think so! Is that salted out or NP?

 

[BigGym]

Quick question, step three. Mixing to ensure it covers but is not absorbed by.

Now what i hear is pour it in...how do you not let it absorb in? Is this just saying dont saturate it? Less is more, use as little as possible or is something else going on here?

 

[inaniel]

Yeah, i don't know. My first attempt was a massive failure! I have a jar in the freezer of IPA with white gunk that doesn't seem to want to evaporate anymore. It's strange. But okay, I'll probably stick to Ayahuasca for now. Maybe i'll try it again with naptha at some point, but it would have to be at a friend's house (I have a two year old daughter and don't want to risk her getting a hold of it), though that shouldn't be an issue as i seem to be surrounded with people curious about the spice.