Thanks for the replies.    DZ-015:   was using a brand new(callibrated too) electronic tester. SWIM has always found when using caustic on other things (not DMT)) that the caustic would only take it so far, then needed water to get higher. Even when using PH strips. This has always been quite confusing to SWIM.     ChemicalEudaemonia: MH was from a trader in Ohio.    Coschi: No Offense taken, thanks for the details. What is hexane normally used for?     Kosmos:  Second pull has been soaking for 2days so hoping it will be a lot better too. SWIM has his friends separator now so will get every drop this pull.        Havent had any luck finding VM&P Naptha yet, but found some Shellite would this be better? SWIM knew zippo and not doing that freeze precip would be nasty but was also eager to see what it was like, and yes it was nasty. Still have another 227g and will try another pull from the first batch.    One thing I dont see mentioned anywhere. is it possible, instead of using solvents to pull it out.  couldnt SWIM just bring it over in a still?    PH it to 13, bring over on a pot still, then ph back to 7ish? and evap.