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First Mescaline Tomorrow

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elphologist1

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I will be trying mescaline for the first time tomorrow. Finally have an extended period of time without responsibilities to integrate the experience. I will be taking 0.25 grams as my first dose. I have previous experience with LSA, psilocybin, nitrous, and a few DMT sessions.

I took a very small taste of the mescaline and wow is it bitter. I plan on mixing it with orange juice - hopefully it won't be too bad since its only 1/4 gram. Looking forward to seeing how the experience compares to psilocybin.

elphologist
 
Sounds great. SWIM thinks you are in for a great trip. Although SWIM thinks it will be quite intense at .25g

SWIM took 340 of full alkaloids from pedro, so probably only half was pure mescaline and it was quite intense, though not too visual, just euphoria and empathy and creativity GALORE.

It was long lasting, albeit extremely blissful, but SWIM took it at 2pm and couldn't sleep till 5:30am. But SWIM is weird like that he is a terrible sleeper while tripping that's why he's likes day trips.

If it is 250mg of pure then SWIM thinks it'll be very intense SWIM hasn't tried that much before.
if 250mg of full alkaloids then it will likely be very stimulating, euphoric and empathic but not likely too visual.

Make sure not to redose. Mescaline takes almost an hour to feel anything and keeps coming up till almost T+4 hours.


To compare it to psilocybin is... very different. SWIM hasn't tripped too hard, but the euphoria is much less giddy and way more empathic to the situation.
SWIM watched a movie on it and he got so restless when the scene was going fast and had to catch his breath when the action stopped.
There is very little mind chatter unlike shrooms and memories seem much more vivid.

SWIM has 1k of dried Peruvian torch coming in the mail and is SO EXCITING not just for him but to share this amazing substance.
SWIM stated without a doubt on his last mescaline trip: Best trip ever.
Thinking back, he doesn't want to take his words back. It was amazing.
 
I was just reading in PIHKAL:

"...that's a very interesting fact about mescaline; it doesn't matter what form you take it in, the nausea seems to be part and parcel of the experience. If you take it fast, that is. I finally thought of taking it this other way [mixing with fruit juice and drinking slowly over a half hour], just to see if it made a difference. This method does, in fact, more nearly parallel the way the Southwest Indians eat Peyote, you know, and I'm happy to say it worked for me."

Happy trails!
Phaedris
 
Thanks for all the advice.

I was moderately disappointed with my experience. I used 0.28 grams of mescaline hydrochloride. This was extracted from Peruvian Torch using limonene and then converted to the chloride. Resulting salt was brown with a sweetish odor. Had no trouble with the taste - after dissolving in orange juice it only tasted slightly different from normal orange juice. I experienced very little nausea. However, I did experience diarrhoea well after the trip was over. I sometimes (not always) get this on mushrooms as well.

The experience was weak. I felt a bit sedated so I laid down for most of the trip. I could certainly tell that something was happening. I had mild closed-eye visuals, and I felt "dreamy". I also felt cold much of the time so I curled up under a blanket. But the mental change was not nearly as intense as I am used to with dried mushrooms. I would liken this to say 1.5 grams of dried mushrooms if I had to compare. Unlike with mushrooms though, I didn't notice hardly any "body high". I felt empathetic and slightly euphoric, but unfortunately I also felt a bit "foggy" like I would if I was really tired or something. I first noticed effects at about an hour. After about 6 hours from dosage, the effects were already rapidly going away, and by 7 hours I was starting to do other things since the trip was mostly over and getting boring. Because effects were so minimal I used my Procyon "mind machine" (which produces binaural beats and accompanying lights) for an hour or so near the peak. I got a lot of closed eye visuals with this of course.

I'm guessing that my dose was too small. Also, perhaps the "foggy" feeling came from impurities? I did not wash the final product. I heard washing is not necessary when using Peruvian Torch, but maybe in retrospect I should have. Next time I think I will try washing the product and take a somewhat larger dose of the purified product. I do miss the body high that I normally experience with mushrooms. However maybe if it wasn't for the "foggy" feeling the experience would be clearer than mushrooms. With mushrooms it seems I am flooded with thoughts, whereas the mescaline experience was easier to control my thoughts.

elphologist
 
Dimitri-Trance said:
I tough you knew that your dose was very low...because it is your 1st time.
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Erowid says a common dosage is 200-300mg, and 300+mg is considered a heavy dose. I didn't expect it to be real strong, but didn't expect it to be this weak. More dissapointing was the "mind fog" I experienced, especially given how weak the dose ended up being. Next time I'll purify and see if that helps.

elphologist
 
I am surprised that 200mg isnt a good dose for some people..I have had some real nice psychedelic experiences with 10 grams dry torch chips...I cant see ther being much more than 100mg in 10 grams of torch..maybe I am just sensitive..I only tried cactus from one store near my home though. I spoke to someone on the aya forums yesterday and he said he had a good experience from 25g of torch from the same shop so maybe I am a bit sensitive.

At 10 grams torch I had a VERY deep entheogenic experience when I combined it with cannabis..though I had not smoked for a few weeks.
 
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Sounds like you may have gotten San Pedro and not Torch. Pedro contains more non-mescaline alks than Torch and they tend to be a bit stoning. They come on sooner than mescaline and only last between 1 1/2 to 3 hours. Vendors often mix up species.

Keep trying. It is a beautiful experience.



Namaste,

J
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300 mg is a very strong dose if the mescaline is pure mescaline. More than that can scare the crap out of some people. I would not recommend more than 300 mg to anyone who’s not familiar with mescaline.

But the 300 mg dosage is for pure mescaline. It's very likely that your mescaline is very impure. Some extractions of mescaline can be more than 60% impurities and produce a very foggy stoning experience. Pure mescaline is like LSD, it’s a clear headed, non-stoning experience. The impurities present in San Pedro, Torch, Achuma, and Peyote, are responsible for the stoning effects, and in many cases responsible for the weak experiences had. The sedatives in these cacti have effects similar to harmaline, and while they seem to be MAOIs that greatly potentiate tryptamines, they do not seem to potentiate the effects of mescaline at all, but instead they take away from the mescaline experience.

If you want to experience 300 mg of mescaline and be sure of the dosage, you’ll need pure mescaline.

If you have mescaline acetate, you can wash it with cold MEK to get nearly pure mescaline. If you have mescaline HCl, you can wash it with acetone and then IPA to get highly pure mescaline.

There’s a thread devoted to washing mescaline on the Nexus. I recommend taking a look at it. Until you have pure mescaline, you really have no idea what it can do. Cactus is not a mescaline experience. It’s an experience of many alkaloids, of which mescaline is but one. The sedatives present are pretty strong and really mess up the mescaline experience.

While cactus is almost nothing like LSD, pure mescaline is very much like LSD.

The only part of a cactus trip that is somewhat like mescaline is the tail end of the trip. Mescaline is one of the longest lasting alkaloids in the cactus. But even then, pure mescaline is better, especially at higher doses.

SWIM found, as far as sedatives go, that Kava and mescaline are quite nice together. Also a small amount of Datura inoxia (5-10 seeds) is a good sedative for mescaline. Both take the speediness away without bringing the trip down. But the sedatives present in the cactus are not good in combination with mescaline. They add a foggy stoning effect that brings the trip down quite a bit. This is one of those cases where the natural mix of alkaloids is definitely not preferred. There are much better mixes out there.
 
69ron said:
If you have mescaline HCl, you can wash it with acetone and then IPA to get highly pure mescaline.

There’s a thread devoted to washing mescaline on the Nexus. I recommend taking a look at it. Until you have pure mescaline, you really have no idea what it can do. Cactus is not a mescaline experience. It’s an experience of many alkaloids, of which mescaline is but one. The sedatives present are pretty strong and really mess up the mescaline experience.
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Okay thanks Ron, I did read that thread, but I thought I read somewhere that the washing was only needed for San Pedro, not Peruvian Torch. I wanted to keep things as simple as possible and didn't want to lose any because I only started out with about 650mg from my extractions. But I will take the 350mg or so that remains and wash it with acetone and 99% IPA (after first drying both with some dehydrated magnesium salts). I will also save the results of both washes to see what they are (possibly ingesting a small amount of each at some point). I do have more cactus I can extract but I will have to get some more d-limonene since I've done other (non-extraction related) experiments with most of my remaining d-limonene.

elphologist
 
I washed the remaining mescaline hydrochloride. Started with 635mg, ended up with 251mg.

Here is what was left when the first (acetone) wash was evaporated:
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Here is what was left when the second (99% isopropanol) wash was evaporated:
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And here was the final product (I added a small amount of distilled water and let that evaporate so it could be compared similarly):
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The residue from the acetone wash reeks with a strong bittersweet smell. The residue from the isoporpanol wash as well as the final product have a slight sweet smell.

These yields really suck. I started out with around 80g of dried peruvian torch and ended up with 0.25g after the final wash (and even this does not look completely pure). Anyway, I'm thinking this was the problem before. I probably got less than 100mg of mescaline from my 250mg dose, plus I got all the other junk.

Although still not completely pure, I'm thinking I should see a big difference when ingesting the 0.25g purified product. Maybe will do so on New Years Day.

I could have sworn Peruvian Torch was supposed to contain very little in the way of other alkaloids, unlike San Pedro. Makes me wonder if my dried Peruvian Torch might actually be San Pedro. Is there a way I can tell by looking? Here is a picture of the original dried cactus:
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elphologist
 
69ron said:
Why is the final product so dark? Is it possible the mescaline is a little burnt?
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I did not use any heat to dry the product this time. When I did the original extraction, I evaporated the HCl solution containing the mescaline in an oven set at around 180F - the water never boiled and it took about 6 hours to evaporate less than an inch deep layer of the water. So I don't believe it would have gotten too hot then either. I guess one concern is that HCl concentrates when evaporating. I could smell the HCl once most of the water had evaporated. But presumably that happens whether heat is used or not.

elphologist
 
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