First Oral Journey - Comments?

[confucius]

Hey folks - I pegged the below story on to the end of my introductory essay - but haven't had many / any comments about what happened, in particular the kind of 'convulsion' SWIM had in what was otherwise a mind blowing and very rewarding experience. Does anyone with some experience have any comments? It'd be appreciated.

Swim kept to his word and he and a friend partook in the pharma brew mentioned above.

Swim's friend is around 70kg, and he's around 90kg, so they modified the doses slightly..

Little guy - 45mg DMT Fumarate:45mg THH:55mg Harmine:5mg Harmaline
Big guy - 55mg DMT Fumarate:55mg THH:67mg Harmine:6mg Harmaline

1 gram ascorbic acid was added to each dose, and around 70ml water. Mixture was shaken and allowed to stand for a couple hours.

First dose was taken at 5.45pm, second around 6.20pm. Effects came on strongly ~7.20pm, so pretty much bang on 1 hour after the second dose. Main effects were largely complete by 22.00 - although it seemed like a heck of a lot longer.

So the experience took ~1.5 hours to commence - came on very strong after a piece of bread eaten. The little guy had a very strong purge as the effects commenced - with obsessively purified harmalas - so I guess the purge is just part of the experience for some folks - pharma or non-pharma.

The big guy had extremely vigorous rhythmic 'convulsions' accompanying the peak of the psychedelia - I guess is a way to describe it - involuntary strong leg and hip movements that felt like part of 'the work'.. and seemed to 'beat with the rhythm of the experience'. Occasionally they'd pause for a while and he'd feel worried his heart had stopped - but that was something symbolic only and his heart was just fine.. and it'd begin again. Looking at it from a medical perspective - could this have been a 'seizure' due to SEROTONIN SYNDROME? Not sure whether it's 'just part of the experience' or worth considering further. Advice anyone?

Suspect first dose was relatively ineffective - will try separating harmalas next time and using the spice @ T+15 minutes instead.

nonetheless, It was a very powerful experience. Swim thinks dose was just about spot on for first pharma journey, although subjectively it seemed that big's experience was a fair bit more intense (although still very full) than little's experience so perhaps there was just way too high qty of harmalas overall, little was able to purge it, big had to cop it... Swim says he may just try one dose instead of two next time, segregate the harmalas from the spice and be a little more patient before downing the second brew.

 

[Ryusaki]

I know that if i take tryptamines there is a chance that this lower body convulsions happen, especially when the substance is flooding slowly into my brain. Nearly in 70% of all cases when eating shrooms, there will be this effect one hour after ingestion (for me). Its not vigerously, but close for a while, usually lasts 20-40 min.

I had these on Ayahuasca as well. It doesn't feel pathological, more like energy work done by the medicine.

 

[Suxen]

I agree with Ryusaki, and have myself on a few occasions on Aya had all manner of weird involuntary hand, arm and leg movements, part of "the work" for sure. Often these movements have preceded a really deep part of the experience for me.

 

[confucius]

Touche - thanks guys, that's what we figured - you've made SWIM feel better. He's been feeling really 'different' since the experience, mostly in a good way although occasionally a little light headed. as said before, I reckon next time he'll try a little less harmalas.. although agrees that it really felt like part of the 'work' and realignment than anything particularly bad.

Ta!

 

[Mimosa_Man]

I know that if i take tryptamines there is a chance that this lower body convulsions happen, especially when the substance is flooding slowly into my brain. Nearly in 70% of all cases when eating shrooms, there will be this effect one hour after ingestion (for me). Its not vigerously, but close for a while, usually lasts 20-40 min.

I had these on Ayahuasca as well. It doesn't feel pathological, more like energy work done by the medicine.

A good friend of mine is crippled from the mid spine down and doesn't feel ANY effects from vaping dmt crystals so far EXCEPT his "useless" legs convulse madly.

 

[Global]

Those "convulsions" sound normal. IME when my body comes in contact with "DMT energy" there is involuntary, autonomous movement. It can happen to the rhythm of the experience if there is basically an onslaught of energy, or if music is playing, particularly one with a groove, it can modify the energies in such a way that there becomes rhythmic oscillations of the body in a psychic-transduction kind of way.

 

[confucius]

Global - thanks - He had icaros playing and the convulsions appeared to mimic the beat of the icaros. He remained conscious throughout, although this was at a very very intense stage of the experience where 'consciousness' is a rather fluid word. Interestingly 'on the way out' at about the 3 hour mark SWIM became quite delusional and paranoid (negative emotions predominated) - but delusional in a way that he was conscious he was probably delusional I think this may be another sign that he just had way too much harmala, or dmt, or both, too soon.

A good friend of mine is crippled from the mid spine down and doesn't feel ANY effects from vaping dmt crystals so far EXCEPT his "useless" legs convulse madly.

Mimosa_Man Your friend should 'fess up' to his spinal specialist about this. It could possibly be one of the greatest DMT related scientific 'findings' ever, and improve medicine's understanding of the neuromechanical basis of his particular form of paralysis - please encourage him to speak to his specialist about it.

C

 

[hopefull]

Yes! Mimosa man please do encourage your friend to speak to his doctor about what happens when he vapes DMT. It could be huge or not. But is defiantly worth the 10 seconds of feeling awkward in front of his doctor.

 

[Molech]

Yo,

When i've been messing about with lower "sub-threshold" hits i've noticed that if the crysanthemum starts to consume me and my expirience touches the edge of OBE my legs will flick about quite a bit. Full on OBE's used to be bumpy coming in and going out, but generally speaking, i'm far more relaxed with the expirience, and the flicks become twitches fairly quickly. The expirience as intense as it is does lead to a very hieghtend sence of alert. Plug a live instrument into a powered amp and that jumps too.

Surrender