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VisualAnemia
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Purges said:
What job ("Level" of experience) gets done for 20-30mg's? =)
Hm I have heard quite alot of good reports from using the GVG, I however will probably never quit the Machine, It's so good and I'm so stubborn
ChickenTikka
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Evisceratechuck, i do of course appreciate what you say.
But i don't go in with much expectation, I'm not consciously anxious of anything and as i may have not been all that clear about, the fear i experienced, to me seemed irrational. Although this last time i did expect a negative experience due to the way it set in, i didn't feel anything negative until i was there and the unpleasant sensations were hitting my brain.
As you said some people do enjoy getting hurt, but for the most part people don't, which is why there any many advocates of changa due to its apparent gentler nature.
It does seem possible one can condition themselves to enjoy such experiences but it would appear certain types of experience are beyond what i can comfortably deal with at the moment for no logical conscious reason and i think its all far too personal to be certain of the reasons behind the negativity.
But i don't go in with much expectation, I'm not consciously anxious of anything and as i may have not been all that clear about, the fear i experienced, to me seemed irrational. Although this last time i did expect a negative experience due to the way it set in, i didn't feel anything negative until i was there and the unpleasant sensations were hitting my brain.
As you said some people do enjoy getting hurt, but for the most part people don't, which is why there any many advocates of changa due to its apparent gentler nature.
It does seem possible one can condition themselves to enjoy such experiences but it would appear certain types of experience are beyond what i can comfortably deal with at the moment for no logical conscious reason and i think its all far too personal to be certain of the reasons behind the negativity.
Evisceratechuck said:Purges said:
What job ("Level" of experience) gets done for 20-30mg's? =)
Hm I have heard quite alot of good reports from using the GVG, I however will probably never quit the Machine, It's so good and I'm so stubborn
Well the GVG is just a tool, use what ever you are most comfortable / happiest with, but I do find it to be the absolute best ROA for the task at hand...
20 mgs - 'milder' breakthrough, cheeky sprites/ entity contact, insane visuals - every atom is charged with meaning, that kind of thing. I tend to do these sorts of doses more often, and have had some of my best experiences on or around this level.
30 mgs - absolutely no awareness of human form, ego death / dissolution - blasted into a realm of impossibilities, over whelming, something I venture into with extreme respect and trepidation. ANYTHING can happen. And more :shock:
Personally I like somewhere between the two, but I find I can tolerate and remember higher doses much better now, so I'm beginning to creep up further.
Just remember that moar isn't necessarily better
ChickenTikka
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Purges said:Just remember that moar isn't necessarily better
Good point, for some people more is indeed better while many people are content with much lighter experiences, and that should be no reason to doubt the meaningfulness of the experience.
I'll add that so far my favourite experience was my first despite it being so light and am just disappointed i didn't break through on that one since it would have been mind blowing in the best of ways, the visuals and feeling, the message it wanted to share.
Evisceratechuck said:
Assumptions, how can they be if I say that this is what I do SOMETIMES?
I mean I can easily eyeball 25mg that will in no way be more off than 10mg, and that's usually on the plus side. I said I sometimes don't weight the doses, but that happens only sometimes and I don't have any issues with it. When I do it, I aim at 25mg usually and can't load more than 10mg over it, which is actually alot, and I have no problem even it it would reach 35mg, as usually the only times I'm not weighing the dose is when I am on a "roll", where I load spontaneously another dose to kind of continue the previous journey.
Eyeballing the first dosage is not recommended, I always warm up with 13-17mg.
I have no misfires, my technique is foolproof.
8)
VisualAnemia
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Thank you for the thoroughly written answer tele!
As I mentioned earlier, I'm quite the nazi about these things
However, I salute your fool proofness!
Regarding your "warm-up", I take you do a "session" where you for example take 13-17mg and after an hour or so continue adding on the dosage? (Eye balling it obviously)
Best regards, Chuck
As I mentioned earlier, I'm quite the nazi about these things
However, I salute your fool proofness!
Regarding your "warm-up", I take you do a "session" where you for example take 13-17mg and after an hour or so continue adding on the dosage? (Eye balling it obviously
)Best regards, Chuck
Psychonaut In Orbit
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Purges said:Evisceratechuck said:Purges said:
What job ("Level" of experience) gets done for 20-30mg's? =)
Hm I have heard quite alot of good reports from using the GVG, I however will probably never quit the Machine, It's so good and I'm so stubborn
Well the GVG is just a tool, use what ever you are most comfortable / happiest with, but I do find it to be the absolute best ROA for the task at hand...
20 mgs - 'milder' breakthrough, cheeky sprites/ entity contact, insane visuals - every atom is charged with meaning, that kind of thing. I tend to do these sorts of doses more often, and have had some of my best experiences on or around this level.
30 mgs - absolutely no awareness of human form, ego death / dissolution - blasted into a realm of impossibilities, over whelming, something I venture into with extreme respect and trepidation. ANYTHING can happen. And more :shock:
Personally I like somewhere between the two, but I find I can tolerate and remember higher doses much better now, so I'm beginning to creep up further.
Just remember that moar isn't necessarily better
Good post and breakdown Purges... you are a true guide
Evisceratechuck said:Thank you for the thoroughly written answer tele!
As I mentioned earlier, I'm quite the nazi about these things
However, I salute your fool proofness!
Regarding your "warm-up", I take you do a "session" where you for example take 13-17mg and after an hour or so continue adding on the dosage? (Eye balling it obviously
Best regards, Chuck
Warm up is the first dose, usually after that(15-50 minutes), I measure about 22-26mg. Then I might do a third(or more, up to 10) load of bowl that is most often measured, but as I stated before, I sometimes don't measure when I feel it's not necessary, this is the state where I feel like I can take anything up to 45mg in single hit, which I said, happens sometimes. I recommend measuring your doses, but if you have experience I think there's no problem if you load 10mg more than intended(it's hard to eyeball over 10mg more fromt the intended dose, IMO)
VisualAnemia
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tele said:
Don't you find 15 minutes to be too soon? If I "redose" that close to my first trip, the tolerance is through the roof and the effects experienced on redose are minuscule in comparison to what that dose would have yielded if i'd waited over 1hour from the first.
You don't experience this?
Also, do you experience "levels" throughout your journeys? (This question goes out to anyone reading it!)
I for example, always, like a clockwork, experience the colors shifting, patterns jumping and things starting melting and after that I start to melt untill theres nothing left of anything, I'm stuck in this nonsense limbo of psychadelic-disco if the dosage is no more than 20'ish mgs.
Even my thoughts start to loop, melt or sound foreign and metallic, then, after I've experienced all these "steps" or "levels" occuring one by one my eyes often times dissapear in some grueling manner, either spiraling away untill I'm left with "nothing" of myself or they sometimes also "bleed" away.
I seem to experience a state of rapid duplication too, almost everytime I journey, where things such as my thoughts or the things I see suddenly jumps "out" of themselves and somehow reproduces like crazy.
Funny thing is that I experience all these early "levels" of spice to be quite uncomfortable and hard to handle,especially the melting/bleeding and duplicating part, but when the dosage is closer too 30mg, the visual medium somehow integrates in a smoother manner which allows me to be somewhat seated for the things that are thrown at me, instead of feeling the increasing "yikes" rising from whats left of my sanity
I would love the hear from more people if they too experience these almost inevitable "stages" per. dosage they go through.
Cheers.
Well I stated 15-50 minutes, but yes sometimes within 15 minutes. This is usually 15 minutes after the effects are diminishing and most often after the warm up dose. Tolerance isn't an issue if smoking 15min after 15mg, but usually at higher dose like 25mg I can notice there is some tolerance noticeable if blasting again after 15 mins, I don't know why is this.
I'm not sure what you mean by the stages. there are different levels of intensity of course, and with DMT it's very rarely the same journey twice, so I can't generalize anything.
DMT can be hard to handle, but the more I get used to handling it, the easier it becomes and my anxiety has transformed into respect.
I'm not sure what you mean by the stages. there are different levels of intensity of course, and with DMT it's very rarely the same journey twice, so I can't generalize anything.
DMT can be hard to handle, but the more I get used to handling it, the easier it becomes and my anxiety has transformed into respect.
Evisceratechuck said:tele said:
Don't you find 15 minutes to be too soon? If I "redose" that close to my first trip, the tolerance is through the roof and the effects experienced on redose are minuscule in comparison to what that dose would have yielded if i'd waited over 1hour from the first.
You don't experience this?
Also, do you experience "levels" throughout your journeys? (This question goes out to anyone reading it!)
I for example, always, like a clockwork, experience the colors shifting, patterns jumping and things starting melting and after that I start to melt untill theres nothing left of anything, I'm stuck in this nonsense limbo of psychadelic-disco if the dosage is no more than 20'ish mgs.
Even my thoughts start to loop, melt or sound foreign and metallic, then, after I've experienced all these "steps" or "levels" occuring one by one my eyes often times dissapear in some grueling manner, either spiraling away untill I'm left with "nothing" of myself or they sometimes also "bleed" away.
I seem to experience a state of rapid duplication too, almost everytime I journey, where things such as my thoughts or the things I see suddenly jumps "out" of themselves and somehow reproduces like crazy.
Funny thing is that I experience all these early "levels" of spice to be quite uncomfortable and hard to handle,especially the melting/bleeding and duplicating part, but when the dosage is closer too 30mg, the visual medium somehow integrates in a smoother manner which allows me to be somewhat seated for the things that are thrown at me, instead of feeling the increasing "yikes" rising from whats left of my sanity
I would love the hear from more people if they too experience these almost inevitable "stages" per. dosage they go through.
Cheers.
VisualAnemia
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My point being that since you use a "warm-up" (low) dose, do you experience the same/very similar effects from your previous warm ups?
As in after you're done smoking, is there a recurring pattern to your experience? Such as the "carrierwave" coming on or in my case the psychedelic "limbo" where I pretty much get "stuck" right before the breakthrough and devoid of the full experience?
As in after you're done smoking, is there a recurring pattern to your experience? Such as the "carrierwave" coming on or in my case the psychedelic "limbo" where I pretty much get "stuck" right before the breakthrough and devoid of the full experience?
Evisceratechuck said:
Well even the warm ups are each time different, and as I'm quite somewhat sensitive to DMT, I get CEV's even at 15mg when inhaled in single hit.
There are some things that repeat in my journeys, such as of course the carrier wave(which doesn't come each time) and colorful beings, but in general I can say they are always different.
I know what you mean by the limbo, it's kind of like coming to the door, and not being let thru, it's in my case due to low dose, I've had it couple times.
geometric_wisdom
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if there's any advice i can give you. take it slowly. my honeymoon was way to intense and it put me off spice majorly for a while.
We are besieged as you see, they hope to gain a hold of you whilst you're not yet grown into your full power. "The first thing we must do is to free you from the circle of dark power that is drawn now around this room" be on your guard, the field will trap you with one motion, from higher to one another. you will be frightened of them, but do not fear them. The powers of the dark can do many things, but they cannot kill those of the light. Not unless they gain the final dominion over the whole earth
We are besieged as you see, they hope to gain a hold of you whilst you're not yet grown into your full power. "The first thing we must do is to free you from the circle of dark power that is drawn now around this room" be on your guard, the field will trap you with one motion, from higher to one another. you will be frightened of them, but do not fear them. The powers of the dark can do many things, but they cannot kill those of the light. Not unless they gain the final dominion over the whole earth
ChickenTikka
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Just smoked a bit more DMT just a few minutes ago, quite risky considering how negative my last experiences were, but i just experienced the most amazing and beautiful thing, i cant begin to explain it, but every muscle in my body controlled the environment i was floating in. I actually went into it a bit anxious but once i was there everything went well enough. The being in this one looked like a king or something, kept trying to give me things and explain the power i had to control this place.
I'm happy to put down the pipe for a while now.
Also, an idea on how much i must have smoked for the experience that frightened me, the past two experiences (skeleton one and this) were had without having to load any more dmt into the smoking device, and theres probably still more to go, i must have taken a massive dose first time round.
I'm happy to put down the pipe for a while now.
Also, an idea on how much i must have smoked for the experience that frightened me, the past two experiences (skeleton one and this) were had without having to load any more dmt into the smoking device, and theres probably still more to go, i must have taken a massive dose first time round.
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