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First taste of spice at age 41 - thank you Noman!

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Pandora

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Hello,

What a wonderful place. SWIM is a 41 year old female who used Noman's "DMT for the Masses" tek to extract about a gram of very white, fluffy crystals. SWIM has studied chemistry, but it was over 20 years ago and she has forgotten more than she knew. She wound up taking her degree in Psychology. She has loved science fiction for her entire life. She has been a bizarre "left-wing Libertarian" who has lived for the weird, fantastic and unusual. She has a list of life experiences that is large and diverse. She first tried cannabis as a teenager, then LSD, mushrooms, Ecstacy and Peyote. At that time she felt these sacred substances were fun to "party with." She met her husband at age 20 in 1988 and they are still happily married. In the early days they used to go out to public places and take truly massive doses (called "wang-doosies") of acid that SWIM's husband procurred from a special network of old heads who liked heavy doses. Unfortunately, things culminated in a really bad acid trip for SWIM that could be described as a classic "ego-death" experience. Unfortunately, being a product of her culture and an atheist to boot, SWIM wasn't able to process/integrate this experience and quit all psychedelics for 20 years!!! Sadly, SWIM moved on to various pills, mostly of a downer nature such as antidepressants, pain pills, muscle relaxants, etc.

SWIM started to hear "the call" of psychedelics when she was 40. She manifested various weird symptoms of what she called a "mid-life crisis" at this point. Without going into endless details, including doing some deep and wonderfully healing work on the ego-death experience, SWIM moved forward with what she called her herbal and chemistry experiments. She smoked, liked (and still does) Salvia Divinorum, she tried creating a preparation from Adanathera Columbria seeds with no effect other than poisoning. She consumed Aminata Muscaria mushrooms and had a vaguely Alice in Wonderland experience. She extracted and vaporized hash oil. She grew Psilocybe Cubenis mushrooms and tried a series of weekly experiments titrating up (0.75 grams, 1.5 grams, 3 grams, 5 grams, then finally 7 grams). She was frustrated that she could not get truly "psychedelicized," other than with Salvia, which induced full-blown 3-D visions. Actually, the 7 gram mushroom trip did it in a rather profound way that SWIM is still integrating.

SWIM had heard about the spice 20 years ago from her husband (SWIM is also a huge fan of the Dune science fiction series). SWIM is priveleged to actually KNOW Gracie & Zarkov.

About 6 months ago, SWIM began reasearching everything she could find on DMT. She asked Gracie & Zarkov questions. She read Strassman's book, she read (& listened to podcasts of) T. McKenna the Shulgins and D.M. Turner, she read every single issue of The Entheogen Review. She started reading Charles Tart and meditating and trying to "wake up" just a little bit more. She had met and interacted with entities in Salvia space and now considered herself an agnostic rather than an atheist. She scoured Erowid and Lycaeum.org. She quickly learned just how much the Yahoo groups sucked on these and other related topics. She finally heard about and began lurking at DMT-Nexus. She finally felt she might be ready to smoke some DMT. SWIM sure as hell was not going to procure this particular sacrament on the street. It is a neurotransmitter. It is in our pineals and CSF. It is in plants and animals. She had seen various teks for plant extractions . . .

She began the physical process about 15 weeks ago by going cold turkey on the pain pills. After that, she went cold turkey on the SSRI antidpressants and muscle relaxants. She got to the point where the only medicines or drugs she was using included Cannabis, sugar and caffeine. She got to the point where there were no cravings (physical or psychological), her dream life came back as well as her sexuality.

It took her three attempts (three different teks) to get a product that looked acceptable to her middle-aged, somewhat substance-conservative eyes/mind. Even though the first two teks took about 24 hours (off and on), SWIM still did not hesitate to throw the ugly final product out and try again (usually after more research and meditation and a week's time). Third time was a charm! SWIM's husband (who had smoked synthetic spice in the 1960's) commented "It's so white!" and suggested he might be interested (Although very tolerant and supportive, SWIM's husband has not been travelling with her this time around.). . . SWIM, who has been working on humbleness, had a burst of pride!

SWIM is conservative when she tries a new herb or chemical. Although SWIM desired (and still does) a breakthrough experience, she started with a very low dose (approx. 10 mg) "dusted" onto some ground Cannabis. She smoked her bowl and felt a slight body-load with no apparent psychological effects. She thought to herself that "this stuff is a bit tweaky," and for some reason known only to the tryptamine landscape, SWIM could not stop laughing for close to 10 minutes! "Okay. . .," SWIM thought to herself.

This time she dusted her bowl with more like 20 mg than 10 (SWIM does have a nice mg scale, but there is always a tiny bit left begind and the scale is something like +/- 1 mg). Holy crap! After her vision went kind of "underwater" like she fell into a trance (This is a very easy thing for SWIM to do.). Once during the experience, she briefly opened her eyes and felt a kind of vertigo, a kind of tremendous pulling at her center. She interpreted this as nausea, groaned, closed her eyes and decided to give it a few more minutes.

The experience itself was fantastically visual and completely clear - no subjective feeling of intoxication other than delight. SWIM has NEVER seen multi-colored patterns that are so intricate and frenetic, as well as constantly moving/changing/transforming. They were fractal, kind of like the Mandlebrot Set, but with sharper angles. Infinite depth and detail. This was true with eyes open or closed. This tryptamine landscape felt so very welcoming. SWIM felt like she belonged there, was being welcomed, that a part of her had always been there.

SWIM started to come down. Coming down from a light spice trip is extremely pleasant (SWIM hates coming down from acid or mushrooms), much more so than Salvia. Coming down from a spice trip is somewhat like peaking on about 700 to 1000 micrograms of LSD. SWIM has never had such amazing open-eyed visuals.

SWIM has never had a still-picture come to life before. This happened while coming down. It was a stick-figure of a cat drawn by SWIM's five-year old nephew. It's stick legs appeared to be running, like it was on a treadmill, it's face smiled playfully and it's head rotated back and forth. SWIM immediately flashed on the fact that this drawing had a bit of the essence/soul/spirit of her nephew. It embodied his energy and playfulness. SWIM will NEVER look upon that drawing or ANY piece of artwork the same way again!

SWIM feels that Salvia is a kind of dimensional collapse into the realms of the unconscious mind. But with the spice, though SWIM's explorations are just beginning and SWIM understands that anything can happen when plumbing the depths of the inner mind and outer Universe, there is humor, love and beauty built into this molecule! SWIM is delighted and intrigued and after taking some more time off for integration/processing, SWIM greatly looks forward to further spice explorations.

As an aside, SWIM recently attempted to pull some Jungle Spice from her basified marc using Xylene, and wound up with a yellow oil. SWIM is not quite sure what to do with it . . .

If you have read this far, I bow to your patience. SWIM loves to write and has difficulty keeping it concise. Thank you Traveler and everyone else. I hope to someday become a full member. I do not own a computer, so my internet access is spotty, but I'll come here everytime I am online.
 
Hello Pandora,

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus.

Your writing is a wonderful one. I really like to read stories and experiences like these, they are so profound. I hope to see more of your writings soon.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Very wonderful read.

I applaud your decision to get off of the opiates. Many here know of that struggle, and we know it is not an easy one to overcome.

It really sounds like you have a lot to contribute to this site! I think we have a lot to offer you as well.

I can't wait to read your experience with a full breakthrough dose of the Sacred Molecule, if you decide to have one.

Jungle Spice is isn't own special thing. Some people find it more appealing than white spice, others don't care for it that much. You will have to find out for yourself if you like it or not. I do suggest weighing out your dosage for the jungle. It is very dense and VERY hard to eyeball. If you have not purified it (washing it with naphtha or bestine to remove the DMT) you might need a bit more than 10-20mgs for a full breakthrough, but it sounds like you understand that going slow is a good way to proceed.

Best of luck in your adventures. When you are ready, look up Ayahuasca.

Welcome to the Nexus!
 
Extremely interesting story you have there! Quite nice to hear your an experienced female too, that's not that common around here! Welcome to the world of spice! 😉

From your story you sound like quite a psychedelic user, sorry to hear about your 20 year period off them. That must have been quite a bad experience. :(

Anyway, I sure hope you have a good continued introduction. Spice is totally wonderful. Such power, bliss and enlightenment in the same molecule. If you have any questions regarding the extraction or spice, ask them here on the boards. People are very helpful, it's truly a great forum! If you have questions you can't ask because of the nursery or any other reasons, feel free to PM me!

Yet again, great story and I wish you all luck in your own quest with DMT!

(Btw, if your product comes out dirty, please don't throw it away! Just dissolve it in minimum amount of new naphtha (or better, heptane/hexane) and freeze precipitate out cleaner spice. This is called a recrystallization.)
 
^ true, I was just thinking about that.

There is no need to throw away dirty or contaminated spice. We have many ways to clean that up to crystal clear shards. The simplest is as West-en stated, just add a small amount of hot naphtha to your dirty spice xtals (30mL/g), let sit for a minute or two until there is a yellow puddle at the bottom...decant into a new jar, and either let sit for a day or two (and let some evap for large glass shard type xtals) or just stick it in the freezer overnight (for small fluffy white xtals).
 
Hi Pandora,

Because of your wonderful story you have been promoted to full membership. You can now also write in the other parts of the forum.


Kind regards,

The Traveler
 
Wow! Gosh! Thanks for such a warm, welcome!

Thanks Traveler for granting me full membership without a formal request - I was going to make the request but felt it would be appropriate to wait at least two weeks. I have begun to learn that if something is meant to be it is worth waiting for and working hard for . . . so thanks again!
 
Hello Again,

BTW: forgot to thank you for the technical advice (all) but must confess that SWIM was as appalled as you no doubt will be to find that her crappy product came after an ammonia wash and heptane recrystalization. It just was not meant to be . . . LOL.

Yeah, the ego-death thing was fairly traumatic. SWIM is happy to share the story but when she wrote it down it was 9 pages, single spaced, 12 pt font. LOL. SWIM is also happy to share the 7 gram mushroom story (the mushrooms finally spoke to SWIM and imparted a couple serious lessons) as well as a number of interesting Salvia experiences, one of which involved sleep-walking.

Surprise at the fact that SWIM is female? Fascinating. Why do you suppose this is? Are females not using spice? Why would this be? What about the kids at the raves? Is there something here that might be alienating females (I haven't picked up on any vibe of this sort . . .) I wonder what the vital stats are here in terms of gender and age ranges? My mother always said, "Curiosity killed the cat, . . . but satisfaction brought her back!

Fascinating theme of praise for authenticity. Do people post stories/experiences that seem to be fabricated? This seems like a rather serious subject to me and there's no way I could do anything but be truthfull - anything else almost feels dangerous. I try not to go forward at "hubris speed" when dealing with issues of the mind and subconscious.

Time to go home and play with my cat and read as many pages as I can before sleep takes me for the night. Will try to return tomorrow.
 
Welcome, Pandora. Great first post. Authenticity, I think you will find, is regarded quite highly in here. This just ain't the place (or the drug) for hubris. Take it slow and with great respect, and you'll be amazed by what you find. This is a mind blowing, life changing event beyond measure. Prepare to be shocked and humbled.
 
Uncle Knucles said:
Welcome, Pandora. Great first post. Authenticity, I think you will find, is regarded quite highly in here. This just ain't the place (or the drug) for hubris. Take it slow and with great respect, and you'll be amazed by what you find. This is a mind blowing, life changing event beyond measure. Prepare to be shocked and humbled.
:shock:

.. what he said
 
Pandora said:
Hello Again,

BTW: forgot to thank you for the technical advice (all) but must confess that SWIM was as appalled as you no doubt will be to find that her crappy product came after an ammonia wash and heptane recrystalization. It just was not meant to be . . . LOL.

Yeah, the ego-death thing was fairly traumatic. SWIM is happy to share the story but when she wrote it down it was 9 pages, single spaced, 12 pt font. LOL. SWIM is also happy to share the 7 gram mushroom story (the mushrooms finally spoke to SWIM and imparted a couple serious lessons) as well as a number of interesting Salvia experiences, one of which involved sleep-walking.

Surprise at the fact that SWIM is female? Fascinating. Why do you suppose this is? Are females not using spice? Why would this be? What about the kids at the raves? Is there something here that might be alienating females (I haven't picked up on any vibe of this sort . . .) I wonder what the vital stats are here in terms of gender and age ranges? My mother always said, "Curiosity killed the cat, . . . but satisfaction brought her back!

Fascinating theme of praise for authenticity. Do people post stories/experiences that seem to be fabricated? This seems like a rather serious subject to me and there's no way I could do anything but be truthfull - anything else almost feels dangerous. I try not to go forward at "hubris speed" when dealing with issues of the mind and subconscious.

Time to go home and play with my cat and read as many pages as I can before sleep takes me for the night. Will try to return tomorrow.


just a note. If first time doesnt do the trick, repeating recrystalizations will purify the product further until very clean white crystals. Just remember to use a minimum amount of warm aliphatic solvent (maybe around 30ml per g of impure dmt).

as for the fabricated stories, yes unfortunately in the last two months we've been having trouble with some people that dont seem to have the bets intentions here, posting trip reports that are fabricated and so on. We are all trying to clean up the forum and take care of this, so dont worry if you come across some bit strange posts.. Stick around, im sure you'll enjoy it :)

and yes do post whatever you feel like now in the other sessions of the forum which you can use :)
 
I find it strange too that there are not more females on the Nexus. I don't think this is any indication of who is using spice, but it may be that females are less inclined to get online with that information....or maybe males are more inclined to play with plants and solvents.... I dunno...but females are welcome and respected here, just like everyone else.
 
Pandora said:
BTW: forgot to thank you for the technical advice (all) but must confess that SWIM was as appalled as you no doubt will be to find that her crappy product came after an ammonia wash and heptane recrystalization. It just was not meant to be . . . LOL.

/../

Surprise at the fact that SWIM is female? Fascinating. Why do you suppose this is? Are females not using spice? Why would this be? What about the kids at the raves? Is there something here that might be alienating females (I haven't picked up on any vibe of this sort . . .) I wonder what the vital stats are here in terms of gender and age ranges? My mother always said, "Curiosity killed the cat, . . . but satisfaction brought her back!
Avoid ammonia washes, seriously. If you want to wash your spice, do it by washing your solvent (before freezing/evaporating) with a sodium carbonate solution. Otherwise, you might loose quite a bit of the yield. Just a tip! 😉

It's something to be expected. First off, females seem less interested in exploring the own consciousness and experimenting with mind altering substances. I hope I don't step on any toes here, I'm not saying that women can't or don't do it. I'm just saying that statistically it's more uncommon. Second off, men seem to read & post at these forums more than women. Almost at all forums I've been a member, there's an excess of males. Exactly why this is, I'm not sure. But it seem to be the case.

Combine those two and you get what I think is one of the explanations there's a lack of females here, but you sure are just as welcome! Again, please don't take this the wrong way (trust me, many do), it's just statistics I've observed, nothing more and nothing less!
 
I think, in general, in my experience, females tend not to 'geek out' on stuff as much as guys - although some really do, and I must say, I do enjoy talking to females who like to geek out, or at least those who appreciate geekage :) - Most i know either take the piss and/or get a glazed look when one starts to geek out on a subject.

However, I have found that there is more interest from females I know in my geeking with aya and spice and other entheogens than, say music production or programming..!
 
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