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[phatuk]

PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set: Eager, Chilled, Happy, a bit anxious
(physical condition) Set: Fit, Healthy (maybe a few extra pounds)
Setting (location): At home, lights dim, chillout ambient tunes on (thunder and lightening outside!
time of day: 22:00pm
recent drug use: Smoked marijuana a few hours earlier.
last meal: 19:000 light snack - sandwich

PARTICIPANT
Gender: M
body weight: 82
known sensitivities: none
history of use: Amateur, dabbled with LSD maybe 10 times, Magic mushrooms 10-15 times over past 10 years. Never had changa nor DMT

BIOASSAY
Substance(s): Changa
Dose(s): 40mg
Method of administration: Dry Bong


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=22:10
Duration: 8-10mins
First effects: Realisation! My hands are there! wow! Closely followed by the start of a matris/grid of small swirls stacked row upon row and columns across my field of vision, the swirls start changing into more complex fractal patterns.
Peak: T=00:02 can see vibrations, an uneasy anxiety creeps in and suddenly I worry if my bong is going to start a fire! Still capable of checking and realizing its fine so I lay back and let go. There's two mes. One is griping the bed and the other is floating around telling me to let go.
T=00.03 My legs feel like they are shaking, I can feel vibrations like someone is walking around the room with heavy feet, then a huge upwards rushing sensation comes over me, which last for what seems like a minute or so. The anxiety is gone, theres just peace.
T=00.04 The rushing slows and I reach as high as I can go, I'm told I cannot go any further today! it wasn't a voice, more of a thought. A general euphoric feeling creeps over me, I feel great!
T=00.05 Im wondering who said that? why cant I go.
Come down: T=00.06 I become aware of the music playing through the head phones and its perfect for the trip, as if that particular track was made for this one trip. The sound of gentle acoustic guitar riffs wafts across me and I feel like im floating slowly downwards.
Baseline:T=00.08 I feel good, still feel a little trip,but motor skills and normal rational thought is back. What rush.

Intensity (overall): Initially 3+, averaging out to 2 over entire trip.
Evaluation / notes:

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: 3
Implesantness: 2 (inital anxiety)
Visual Intensity: 2 (initailly lots of swirls and fractals, but that soon disappeared.
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: 0
Afterglow: 2, had another hit 30 mins after report on second trip soon.

 

[endlessness]

Try staying a couple of days without marijuana. Also maybe in the future look into a GVG if you can afford it, or try to look into the Inspirator MKII from amor fati if you have a DIY spirit.

Also was it 40mg changa or 40mg total dmt mixed in with your changa?

I found that when I was smoking, 50-60mg were necessary and even then, wasnt sure to properly breakthrough or go far. You might need some more dmt than you did.

Last thing, did you hold it in the lungs for long, each puff? That is also necessary (though not the best thing to do if youre smoking it, smoking dmt is very harsh, hence I recommend looking into vaporization methods)

 

[a1pha]

Hey phatuk,

Welcome to The DMT-Nexus. Thank you for taking the time to fill out the Experience Report Template.

I agree with endlessness' comment to stay away from MJ a few days prior to the voyage. Some enjoy it with DMT, others (like myself) experience a certain fog or blockage. Try it with, try it without. As you use the spice you will discover a nice technique.

Also, have you considered taking a bath before going in? Running a hot bath with epsom salt and lavender (or other essential oils) with a candle lit work wonders for me. White sage and palo santo are nice in the mix as well. Once out, get under the covers in your bed and launch.

Good luck!

 

[phatuk]

Thanks for your comments.
@endlessness, Yes it was 40mg changa. And yes I held it in as long as I could, at least 15-20 seconds, though it felt much long

@a1pha filling in the report was a pleasure, I intend to do a second one later on when I get a minute. Its great to have a forum of well traveled souls to share the experience with.

A blockage! Thats exactly what it felt like not being able to 'get higher'. I'll give the MJ a break for a few days then try again later in the week, after a hot bath and a bit of meditation.

Despite reading a number of trip reports I was still astounded by the speed with which the trip came on, I'm so used to shrooms and LSD taking 20-40 minutes to come up! with this Toke - Hold - BANG - WOW.

 

[endlessness]

40mg changa, depending on amount of DMT in it, is a very light DMT dose, so you'll most likely have to increase your dosage to get something stronger.

 

[phatuk]

Ill try 60mg next time, im in no crazy rush to get there, besides im enjoying the journey

 

[Gowpen]

Ill try 60mg next time, im in no crazy rush to get there, besides im enjoying the journey

I'm only up to 35mgs after 3 tries, thats wayyyy enough for me at the moment. I feel sure I got better at vaping because the last time was quite full on for me. Much less heat than I expected, but consistantcy of heat more important I found. Im sure I had the choice but I hesitated and opened my eyes.

I refined my product by re-x 2 times.
Question. Are there long break-throughs and short ones. I mean If someone breaks through at 35mgs (I understand its possible, correct me If I err).... then 50mg is wayy too much, or is it deeper or longer chronologically.

Is the aim to get such a does as to just...slip over to hyper land, or does one get used to it for a while then take a larger dose. Is it about meaning or dosage or is there a corrolation of the two ?

Also, hahaha Holding ones breath and starving the brain of oxygen... would 2 x 10/12 second holds be better than 1 long 20 second (or more), try it without DMT in your lungs and see whats comfortable but 3 x 30 seconds in a row and I am dizzy. Im getting old.... doh!
Good luck phatuk.

 

[endlessness]

Gowpen, notice he's talking about changa weight, not pure dmt.

 

[Gowpen]

Gowpen, notice he's talking about changa weight, not pure dmt.

Ahh yes, I am paying attention now, appologies.

 

[ItzJustMe]

Someone mentioned getting a GVG. Don't think about it...DO IT! I bought one because I couldn't break through using other methods but I had my first breakthrough last night with the GVG. Believe the hype! It is so smooth you can barely even taste the DMT. I took 3 tokes and I was there. Absolutely wonderful!!!!

 

[3rdI]

improve your technique and you will turn your 3 hits into 1:surprised

 

[Purges]

improve your technique and you will turn your 3 hits into 1:surprised

1 toke hits are where its at. Listen to this guy :thumb_up: If I smoke 25-30mg in one go and hold it for 20 secs, I'm there, no doubt. :want: If I do that in, say, 3 hits, it will be considerably less full on, and possible I won't breakthrough and have a satisfying experience. Technique is everything with smoking DMT imo, being a bong smoker helps 8)

(of course this method also slams you into hyperspace at warp speed, so it can be a little jarring, and not always what is required, there are times where I will take my dose in 3 smaller hits and enjoy a gentler experience, there's a time and a place for each )

 

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If your changa is in a 1:1 ratio with dmt:herb then 40mg is a light dose for sure. Try this...put between 70-75mg in there. Put just enough water in the bong for the stem to barely submerge. Load'r up, cherry the top and drag it SLOW filling the bong til it's opaque and billowing out the top. Pull stem/carb, take in, HOLD 15-20sec (it'll most likely come on alot sooner than that) and......you will be there my friend...no doubt. :twisted:

 

[phatuk]

From experience so far (2 tries) ive concluded that a second hit in the same session is going to be really tough as the first wave of trippiness hits me I'm a mess! Motor skills and co ordination are almost none existent. I need a coach! My misses helped me out last night, but she's not always available or willing!

I'm looking into a GVG (glass vapour genie?) , it looks like lots of places are out of stock! I'll keep trying.

I'm still amazed at the force/speed that the changa hit me, like being blind sided by an 18 wheeler, but in a good way.

Will be trying again tonight. Watch this space.

 

[phatuk]

Does everyone gt the upwards rushing sensation? Kinda like you in a lift going up really quick?

 

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Does everyone gt the upwards rushing sensation? Kinda like you in a lift going up really quick?

Yes. The rushing force that overtakes your body until it consumes your vision entirely.

I'm telling you though..if your changa is fairly smooth for you...load up 70-75mg changa, light the top, drag slow and fill the bong entirely, pull carb/stem, and take it in and hold it.

I have had extremely powerful experiences with GVG, but my strongest experience (for me) to date was through a bong. Aiming to take it all in one hit can be very intense, but leaves the whole "2nd hit, 3rd hit" outa the equation. Try that out, I'm tellin you.. :thumb_up:

 

[phatuk]

Tattvamasi, I've just come down now, I tried about 60mg of changa and did it in one big, loooong slow inhalation. Before I'd even exhauled the DMT truck flew out of nowhere and smashed me into the stratosphere.

Before I lit the bong I'd been to the gym, came home and had a long hot shower. Sat on my bed closed my eyes and visualised the whole trip I wanted from packing the bowl till the coming back down. Then I packed the bowl. Drew in the smoke into the chamber then opened the rush hole and boom

I lay back on the bed put in my ear phones and some ambient music and I was away. The rush comes followed by A brief spell of anxiety, during which I feel like I'm stuck to the bed and really heavy. i tell myself it's all part of the trip and then it's like i suddenly become lighter, and unstuck.

The euphoric feeling descends and moves through my body from toe to head and tingles in my forehead. I open my eyes and see the light shade morphing and
Changing shape. The ambient light in the room appears to be fading in and out. I hold my hands up and look at my fingers which look all bendy and weird and then the spiral shapes and fractals appear everywhere I look. My mind goes blank for a few seconds, then in my head I'm floating above the earth, off the left is the sun, it's really bright and I look away, I'm suddenly aware of my breathing, it's very slow and rhythmical. I watch the world turn. Suddenly I feel there some one here. I feel a sense of familiarity, as if I know them, but I don't see who it it or what it looks like. They're telling me something but I'm not sure what they're saying, it's too quiet. But it's a he and he's there watching the earth too. Like he's on his break and chilling out.

I open my eyes and I feel the trip wearing off, I slowly come back down. I have a complete body high and am really relaxed. I lay there and contemplate what happen.

Now 30 mins after I speak to my misses and ask how long I was away for and she tells me 45 mins, for me it was no more than 10 mins.

Another great changa experience!!

Since I'm new to this I'd like to know how to make the trip last longer. For me the longest is 45 mins so far (this one infact). is it dependent on the herbs used in the mix?

Thanks all
Phatuk

 

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:thumb_up: :twisted:

 

[phatuk]

So since my last post Smoked the last of my Changa, still didn't break thru Even with a big dose. So I made the decision to leave my hyper space pursuits for the foreseeable future and maybe further down the road I'll get a gvg and some dimitri and try again.

So this morning I was on route to a meeting and pondering my decision. I parked outside the office, it was early and there was just one car parked outside. the registration plate read XX99 DMT (the xx99 bit was different but Ill use xx99 to protect the owners anominity and my own location).

Coincidence or a sign to not give up yet?

What are your thoughts?

Phatuk

 

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That's code my friend...code for

SMOALK MOARRR! :twisted: