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Fist time with Toluene

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arimane

arimane

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Hi guys,
is my first time extracting from mhrb with toluene, since I found much of it in a local store, pretty cheap. I've done a first pull and I ended up with quite a big amount of yellow-brownish goo, and I'd like to separate the components or at least purify it, in order to enhance leaves. Any advice about it?
I just thought of adding naphta once dried, to take out the Spice, and nothing else.


Hope is not a repost, I couldn't find a topic about this on the Nexus.

Thank you all!,

Ari
 
Well, that would be like doing another little A/B on the Toluene, right? Otherwise I'd just end up with crystals, while I want freebase.
Just, if I let all the toluene evaporate, what would keep DMT to go into the naphta - pet ether once they're in contact?
 
benzyme said:
toluene is such a great solvent, it smells like love.
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heheheh yes! it does! My favorite smelling of the aromatics, it just doesn't seem to get old.

But yeah, its pretty non-selective. but great for pulling the alks quickly, then you can salt them out to clean it. I use toluene or other aromatic solvents, saves me from the trouble of having to do 10 pulls with naphtha. Extra work? no thanks.
 
Mindlusion said:
benzyme said:
toluene is such a great solvent, it smells like love.
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heheheh yes! it does! My favorite smelling of the aromatics, it just doesn't seem to get old.

But yeah, its pretty non-selective. but great for pulling the alks quickly, then you can salt them out to clean it. I use toluene or other aromatic solvents, saves me from the trouble of having to do 10 pulls with naphtha. Extra work? no thanks.
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>.> You need 10? I usually get 1% yields in about 1 - 2 pulls with naphtha, and on thread topic yes you can wash toluene spice with naphtha just heat up some naphtha with electric heating pad to about 100-120 degrees farenheit, and put your crystals/goo in there stir, let it melt and you should see the non soluables drift to the bottom of the cup you heated naphtha in, and from there just take it off heat let it cool a short bit bit to let the non soluables cake to bottom of glass, then put a coffee filter on another glass, and pour your mix through the filter to catch the non soluables, the non soluables should all get caught in 1 filtration it does for me at least. Maybe two max. But you can always further clean of course.

DISCLAIMER: Heating solvents is always dangerous regardless of using open flame or electric heat(NEVER USE OPEN FLAME!!!!!) always keep a fan and good ventilation methods on hand while doing so and only do so if absolutely needed and if absolutely needed you should do this in a water bath to prevent potential further issues with spillage, others pointed out you don't need to heat the solvent but if you're trying to recrystallize larger amounts in smaller volumes of liquid it definitely helps a lot.
 
Sorry, I was exaggerating.

You can get those same results using a solvent with higher affinity to the alkaloids, like aromatics or haloforms. Without having to go through the trouble of using a heating mantle. My method works, I'm not saying yours doesn't, it does. I'm just lazy and try to improve my own technique the way I see fit to not waste my precious time I have as a human being.

"just heat up some naphtha with electric heating pad to about 100-120 degrees"
I seriously hope your talking farenheit.
 
Mindlusion said:
Sorry, I was exaggerating.

You can get those same results using a solvent with higher affinity to the alkaloids, like aromatics or haloforms. Without having to go through the trouble of using a heating mantle. My method works, I'm not saying yours doesn't, it does. I'm just lazy and try to improve my own technique the way I see fit to not waste my precious time I have as a human being.

"just heat up some naphtha with electric heating pad to about 100-120 degrees"
I seriously hope your talking farenheit.
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Yes farenheit lmao sorry I forgot to add that I should have done so and I thought about it while typing but forgot to add that /facepalm. Just curious wasn't trying to burst your bubble and sorry if I offended, and not trying to push a better method or ratio but I've found that if its decent bark, for every 100 G of MHRB use, 1500 ML of water, 3 TBS of NaoH and about 300 ML of naphtha for 1-3 pulls and that should come out to 1%^ yields. I know everyone does it different, and again sorry to offend as it seems I clearly struck a soft spot with you. I will change my original post to reflect the Farenheit vs Celcius Issue.
 
And I only mention heating it because when I uses toluene It was a waxy mess, that still smelled of toluene until I cleaned with naphtha this also required a lot of manual labor trying to powderize the extract as it dried to get rid of ALL the toluene as I've read it likes to leave a residue underneath forming crystals/goo and get trapped unlike naphtha. So I found heating the naphtha as I've read others do as well (I'm def not the first or only person to do it), have found that its much more soluble and only requires heating for a very brief period and as long as you don't go straight from heat/filter to freeze precip there should be no issue with glass/pyrex breaking of course.

And I added a disclaimer.
 
I added warm naphta to the toluene extract and then freeze precipitate: shining white crystals =D And a lot of them, seems like a faster way to go (extract with toluene and then separate).
Now I only have to see what to do with the goo, since I know is pretty active I guess it deserves a try... maybe on leaves, as it is looks difficoult to consume.

Thanks everyone for their precious opinion!

Arimane
 
Just be careful using toluene, regardless I don't know what others think, but I personally by smell and consistency feel like it messes up something in the extract. I tried smoking a non-naphtha washed batch once, and definitely felt something off base, but was not willing to continue experiments as it felt kind of dirty in my lungs. Like I said though I feel like Toluene leaves some type of residue between crystal formations/under them or something and read others who feel the same. This is by smell, feel of the experience, and taste. Again all my opinion.
 
Thanks, I'll post about it when I'll try it. I just hope that goo doesn't take forever to dry out =D
 
arimane said:
I added warm naphta to the toluene extract and then freeze precipitate: shining white crystals =D And a lot of them, seems like a faster way to go (extract with toluene and then separate).
Now I only have to see what to do with the goo, since I know is pretty active I guess it deserves a try... maybe on leaves, as it is looks difficoult to consume.

Thanks everyone for their precious opinion!

Arimane
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Arimane, thank you for asking this question to the forum... I only have one question now for you...

Did the naptha go to the top of bottom when mixed with toluene?

Thank you for your time 😁
 
I presume they mean they let the toluene extract evap to a goo, and then add warm naptha, mix for 10-15 mins in a warm water bath, and then seperate the naptha, and freeze precip.
At least that's what I do.
 
Also by the way after rereading this thread I want to point out that I completely originally misread the thread and I had used XYLENE not TOLUENE, I had a bad extract with XYLENE which needed rewash with naphtha, so anything I've said above that sounded retarded probably was , It still may apply but I wanted to point this out, this is my fault for not fully thinking before posting, I don't know why I didn't pick up on that before I posted in the first place, that being said I've never used Toluene to do an extract only naphtha and xylene, and out of those two I preferto just use naphtha right from the start as xylene pulled a substance that still smelled highly of the chemical and I didn't feel comfortable ingesting or smoking and had to rewash with naphtha to get the purity I desire. I will however probably be inclined in the future to try an extract with Toluene now that I just figured out my own idiotic mistake in my prior post.
 
When I let my toluene evap, it happened that the sun shined on the plate and turned the toluene to a green-bluish color. Is this normal? I guess my toluene might have funky impurities. Is it possible to freeze precipitate the dmt with toluene? Where I live it is hard to get naphta..
 
shanedudddy2 said:
I presume they mean they let the toluene extract evap to a goo, and then add warm naptha, mix for 10-15 mins in a warm water bath, and then seperate the naptha, and freeze precip.
At least that's what I do.
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Thanks for you experience with this. Your answer helped to clarify things :)

@TOXSIN
Gotchya! I had not heard that about xylene so it is really good to know. I've used toulene with acacia in the past, evaped and i dont have any ticks so I figured it was ok.

@kiang
Check the wiki for more understanding on the solvents and chemicals to understand which ines freeze precipitate. I dont think dmt will freeze precip from toulene.

Cheers and happy summer to you all !!!
 

FWIW:

The LD50 of the solvents in question is as follows:

toluene 636 mg/kg
xylene 5000 mg/kg
naphtha 25000 mg/kg

personally I prefer to stay away from toluene.
 
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