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Jaffster

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MODERATOR: WE DO NOT WANT TO KNOW, which he plans to have this weekend. Now, research has been done as to regards the dosing and planning of the day but nowhere does it seem that anybody has gone from DMT to LSD, it always seems to be the other way around.

I guess he jumped straight in at the deep end with DMT; having his current world perceptions absolutely shattered. I see many people saying things along the lines of "You had better be ready for Lucy" but to reverse things, is it going to be an underwhelming experience in comparison? I get that the trips are completely different but in terms of "HAVING YOUR MIND BLOWN" will it be somewhat disappointing?

He is planning a 50 microgram threshold dose for his first time, then perhaps a 100 microgram experience next week if all goes well.

Somebody, somewhere must have had DMT before trying LSD? I thought of no better place to ask....
 
Oversoul reporting in!

His first psychedelic was DMT. He has taken Molly before, but nowadays he doesn't even regard it as psychedelic.

He took LSD after many experiences with DMT. 100 mics tabs in two occasions. First tab was seriously underdosed, and Oversoul experienced only threshold effects. Other time he took tab which was much better. Oversoul will never forget that day when he spent around 10 hours walking around his city of residence, and has had very beautiful experience.

LSD is amazing, and Oversoul likes it really much. Does he like LSD more than DMT or vice versa? No, he doesn't want to compare the two, he likes both of them. Lucy is amazing to show you real hidden beauties of this reality. Lucy will make you see things as they are, Lucy will make you see how much you have missed. "Wow, I didn't know that building was that majestic. Wow, so that's the TRUE beauty of tulips? Wow, I never knew sunset can be this amazing. Good gods, the sky, it's beauty, I want to cry. I must cry. How much I have missed!"

That was Oversoul' s experience with Lucy. He will have another experience soon which much higher doses this time.

Oversoul hopes you will like that amazing molecule as much as he did.

Peace and love. <3
 
I think the common notion that DMT is some kind of ultra-super-special psychedelic is a bit mistaken. I agree that DMT is unique in some sense, but other psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin can, at high enough dosages, take you just as far as DMT can.

A 100ug LSD dose will not be as mentally shattering as a DMT breakthrough, but it will be a new type of experience that I do recommend you have.
 
DMT was my first psychedelic and LSD came years later.
I found it, in my limited experience, much different in comparison.
Not like DMT or Mushrooms at all. Much more stimulating, not as much of a "sinking" feeling and the emotional vulnerability of mushrooms. Not the Hypervisual Alien Trip you get with DMT...not smooth vibrating cells...but more wires and electricity...a more clear and sober feeling in a way more intellectual than emotional...more neon colors...50mics probably won't do much and not sure if a low dose is the way to go...

Please masturbate on LSD.
 
obliguhl said:
50mics probably won't do much and not sure if a low dose is the way to go...
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Not really, depends on the quality. 50 µg can give you a good 12h threshold dose trip with visuals if the stuff is pure. I actually find the idea of 50µg first and a 100µg later a very good idea. Why should testing the waters be a bad idea? It's not that the acid suddenly runs away.

Please masturbate on LSD.
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If you find this idea weird (well, I do), then do something less weird. Try to watch this and remote analyze his mind:

[YOUTUBE]

:p
 
Not really, depends on the quality. 50 µg can give you a good 12h threshold dose trip with visuals if the stuff is pure. I actually find the idea of 50µg first and a 100µg later a very good idea. Why should testing the waters be a bad idea? It's not that the acid suddenly runs away.
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I started really small with 1/8th of a mayan calender hit and worked my way up. It as great...stimulating and very nice with a beer.

Then I decided to take more and had maybe 70% of one hit...so maybe around 80-100 mics.
From a standpoint of intensity it was comparable to maybe 1.5g mushrooms with open eye visuals only during the peak but images were enhanced, and 3D and would have a melting effect of some sorts. All in all not very spectacular.

The problm was that i fell into this weird state of anxiety that sometmes comes with low dose experiences. I went on my bike and would ride in circles around the park...for hours. Stopping meant falling into a hole...just thinking about anything intensified this feeling. After the experience i went on the nexus chat and the consensus was, that i should have taken more to break through this. Since then i never dared to touch LSD again...despite me loving to masturbate on it :?:

Why i it weird btw? Please don't tell me you have never tried it.

PS: All credit goes to house who turned me onto it.
 
obliguhl said:
Not really, depends on the quality. 50 µg can give you a good 12h threshold dose trip with visuals if the stuff is pure. I actually find the idea of 50µg first and a 100µg later a very good idea. Why should testing the waters be a bad idea? It's not that the acid suddenly runs away.
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I started really small with 1/8th of a mayan calender hit and worked my way up. It as great...stimulating and very nice with a beer.

Then I decided to take more and had maybe 70% of one hit...so maybe around 80-100 mics.
From a standpoint of intensity it was comparable to maybe 1.5g mushrooms with open eye visuals only during the peak but images were enhanced, and 3D and would have a melting effect of some sorts. All in all not very spectacular.

The problm was that i fell into this weird state of anxiety that sometmes comes with low dose experiences. I went on my bike and would ride in circles around the park...for hours. Stopping meant falling into a hole...just thinking about anything intensified this feeling. After the experience i went on the nexus chat and the consensus was, that i should have taken more to break through this. Since then i never dared to touch LSD again...despite me loving to masturbate on it :?:
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Anxiety comes with all sorts of doses. It's a genetic and/or set & setting issue. I can't touch mushrooms anymore for that reason, they were too mean. Didn't stopped me from switching to more chemical and quantifiable psychedelics plus a good amount of benzos. If LSD isn't your thing, get some ETH-LAD or 1P-ETH-LAD and a good dose of benzos.

Why i it weird btw? Please don't tell me you have never tried it.
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Not with ergolines. I think I did it with 25INBOMe and 2C-E, but that was not impressive. My idea of tripping is getting so high that your penis is just functional meat. So masturbation isn't a thing I bother while being high - it wouldn't work physiologically anyway.
 
I'm not experienced enough to tell wether or not i well..jive with LSD :?:
What i like about DMT is that it obliterates your fear in a way...because it obliterates you :p Long acting Psychedelics scare me to be honest. So much that can go wrong...and then it goes on and on and on...needless to say it get even worse if you get trapped in some sort of time bubble.

it wouldn't work physiologically anyway.
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After smoking DMT, it was very difficult. And then the feeling that all the stars in the universe are rotating around your ock gets old quickly.

I think i have told at least a dozen people to masturbare on LSD but never ever does on take my advice. It is a shame, really. And a waste :|
 
obliguhl said:
I think i have told at least a dozen people to masturbare on LSD but never ever does on take my advice. It is a shame, really. And a waste :|
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Maybe you should post pics of your trained body to facilitate the request. 😁

Edit: In response to the anxiety issue, it think jamie nailed it:

this kind of thing happens most when I have a problem relaxing. Im not sure how to really explain it, but it's too much restless energy that I just wont let go of, causing me to feel spun out, dizzy, anxious etc. Simply laying down and giving up into it can help. I think we have become controll freaks to some extent.
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The thing for me is, that I sometimes can't relax, even not with meditation. So to break the spell I use some chemistry.
 
I see DMT as giving me access to something, tuning me in so to speak, to something other than myself. I've held it to be a drug of extreme spiritual significance. Nothing at all like LSD which I view as a more psychoanalytical tool, with spiritual overtones.

I've never experienced anything that I don't feel came directly from some aspect of my neurological/emotional/physiological makeup on it.

For me, I really don't like low dose acid. My sweet spot is ~350ug. Less than that and I feel like I have one foot in, one foot out and I can't get any perch. Sometimes a 100ugdosefor a concert to make the music wider is good. Psilocybin on the other hand is pleasant in low doses.

Since I took LSD long before experimenting with DMT I don't know how to advise you. Other than that they are extremely different animals. If you're expecting DMT, you'll be disappointed.

And as for masturbating while high, yeah, sure if that's where your head goes. I wouldn't write a reminder on my hand in sharpie to do so or anything though. Just sayin. Now, if you have a partner, sex is amazing on LSD. Many including myself find it aphrodisiacal in the right set and setting. Just be careful, birth control doesn't work on astral bodies and has been known to fail under the influence of psychedelics. Just ask my friends 15 year old son.
 
obliguhl said:
Please masturbate on LSD.
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Made me lol because a guy I know recently told me he likes to try masturbation at least once on every substance he does.

I get it, but I'm more in the same mind frame as null on this one...

And as for masturbating while high, yeah, sure if that's where your head goes. I wouldn't write a reminder on my hand in sharpie to do so or anything though. Just sayin.
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null24 said:
I see DMT as giving me access to something, tuning me in so to speak, to something other than myself. I've held it to be a drug of extreme spiritual significance. Nothing at all like LSD which I view as a more psychoanalytical tool, with spiritual overtones.

I've never experienced anything that I don't feel came directly from some aspect of my neurological/emotional/physiological makeup on it.

For me, I really don't like low dose acid. My sweet spot is ~350ug. Less than that and I feel like I have one foot in, one foot out and I can't get any perch. Sometimes a 100ugdosefor a concert to make the music wider is good. Psilocybin on the other hand is pleasant in low doses.

Since I took LSD long before experimenting with DMT I don't know how to advise you. Other than that they are extremely different animals. If you're expecting DMT, you'll be disappointed.

And as for masturbating while high, yeah, sure if that's where your head goes. I wouldn't write a reminder on my hand in sharpie to do so or anything though. Just sayin. Now, if you have a partner, sex is amazing on LSD. Many including myself find it aphrodisiacal in the right set and setting. Just be careful, birth control doesn't work on astral bodies and has been known to fail under the influence of psychedelics. Just ask my friends 15 year old son.
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You don't get the white light god experience on acid?..even after 5-MeO-DMT? I have been having incredible LSD experiences over the last 4 months, with 5-MeO-DMT white light type experiences during the peak at times. Also, the visions I have been having on acid are very complex and I have seen entities, like angels and buddhas and other spiritual themed beings. I dunno what it means, but I do get very deep and profound mystical insights with LSD, and I like that about it.
 
jamie said:
null24 said:
I see DMT as giving me access to something, tuning me in so to speak, to something other than myself. I've held it to be a drug of extreme spiritual significance. Nothing at all like LSD which I view as a more psychoanalytical tool, with spiritual overtones.

I've never experienced anything that I don't feel came directly from some aspect of my neurological/emotional/physiological makeup on it.

For me, I really don't like low dose acid. My sweet spot is ~350ug. Less than that and I feel like I have one foot in, one foot out and I can't get any perch. Sometimes a 100ugdosefor a concert to make the music wider is good. Psilocybin on the other hand is pleasant in low doses.

Since I took LSD long before experimenting with DMT I don't know how to advise you. Other than that they are extremely different animals. If you're expecting DMT, you'll be disappointed.

And as for masturbating while high, yeah, sure if that's where your head goes. I wouldn't write a reminder on my hand in sharpie to do so or anything though. Just sayin. Now, if you have a partner, sex is amazing on LSD. Many including myself find it aphrodisiacal in the right set and setting. Just be careful, birth control doesn't work on astral bodies and has been known to fail under the influence of psychedelics. Just ask my friends 15 year old son.
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You don't get the white light god experience on acid?..even after 5-MeO-DMT? I have been having incredible LSD experiences over the last 4 months, with 5-MeO-DMT white light type experiences during the peak at times. Also, the visions I have been having on acid are very complex and I have seen entities, like angels and buddhas and other spiritual themed beings. I dunno what it means, but I do get very deep and profound mystical insights with LSD, and I like that about it.
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The thing is, I've only done LSD once in the last 25 years. My experience with it was back in the mud 80's-mid 90's. And it was a low dose in a social setting, walking in a park. I suffered a terrible stomach ache due to a rookie mistake of consuming meat and beer before dosing. It was nonetheless a great learning experience.

It's funny, the only times I seem to really recall the 5meo white light is from deep cannabis exploration. Mushrooms can take me easily into hyperspace now that I know that realm, but I don't think I've dosed high enough on anything to approach what I experienced once on 5meo-which was, as I've written, a carelessly, misidentified substance overdose. Several subsequent applications of the same batch built upon that experience, but it only "killed" me once. The one time I experienced death from n,n DMT it was calamitously loud, noisy and disorienting, painful, whereas the other was a peaceful surrender to the void.

Working with a brand new batch of ACRB extract, and possibly will begin tonight, so I'll let you know! This will actually be a good experiment for me as I've been experiencing symptoms of depression which for once aren't situational that I'm curious to see the effect of DMT on and that's the main goal of this coming session however.
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^same here and what i can say is the LSD made me remember so much that i had forgotten of my DMT experiences even though people tell me i already remember more than average haha

I noticed on LSD i could remember so many things in one DMT experience i had which proved to me that i was basically existing beyond time/space in a sense i understood how i was there for eternity and lived countless lifetimes in flashes and experienced all of existence, experiencing itself through a collective consciousness in a spiral than was reborn and flashed back to the point just before i hit the DMT and boom i woke up.

Psychedelics are Amazing and extremely important to use respectfully from time to time i believe. Whether its micro-dosing, normal or heroic doses, they reconnect you to your god/child self, the infinite self, the self that has no limitations or conditioning, its free like water and reminds you of what life is really all about. When i take Psychedelics, i feel like i'm 3-5 years old again playing in the playground and becoming one with playfulness of life, i feel like a dolphin, playing and floating with others in unconditional love.

The anxiety's/fears and all those things come from the sober/ego mind(If you will) the mind that picks up on everything around or past experiences ect.. The mind that is like a magnet with everything you surround yourself with which is why meditation and focusing on what brings you joy and happiness in life is utmost importance but then again when your there in deep psychedelica and re-connected to the greater spirit(If you will) there is only unconditional love, no fear/anxiety or lower emotions whatsoever. Pure Surrender to all that is, is the Divine Flow of Life!

Peace <3
 
I did acid before any other psychedelic, so I can't personally weigh in on how to compare them from that standpoint. However, I know a few people who have had DMT as an intro to the psychedelic world, as the short duration has a certain appeal to it (talking sub breakthrough here). I wouldn't think it would lessen the experience you have on LSD, as they are completely different beasts to me.

As others have stated, DMT obliterates you and acid is something which can be easier to work with in terms of personal insights in everyday life. I like what Null said about it being more of a psychoanalytical tool with spiritual overtones - Very well put. I think this is dose dependent though, as the higher the dose, the more spiritual the trip can become.
 
obliguhl said:
Please masturbate on LSD.
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Where did my dick go? :?

I dont really think the order of Psychedelics is really important.
But make sure that you dont go into the trip thinking that you did DMT now you can take everything without problem.

200ug of 1P left me lying on my bed unable to move. Drifting away into thoughts.
The whole world was thundering in my senses.
 
LSD was my first psychedelic... my best friend and I took a tab each of 'rolling stones' blotter in a motel room down at the coast with some dim lit candles, frankincense myrrh incense burning and the orb's "adventures beyond the ultraworld" gently playing in the background... an hour in and I was watching the light reflection on my friend's teethy smile manifest as glistening jewels, eloquently gliding over each tooth... spakling ever more brightly as the moment unfolded. the blue rendered walls of the motel room were dripping with unthinkable beauty... mayan/aztec-like motifs were oozing over them with a vibrancy of colour I had not previously been witness to... nor have I since really (not unlike the artwork "bardo being" by Alex Grey)..

..when I moved my hands around they left behind long trails of fingers in their path... the external was for the first time "bendable" and we spent some time moving our hands and other objects around observing the elegant lag effect produced by their motion. the small things become blissful with LSD. I had never realised how beautiful everything is...

there was a moment between us where we were standing next to the timber walls of the bathroom entrance looking into each others eyes... elegant arangements of dots gliding over each other's face - when we realised we were undergoing a process of initiation.. becoming "men"...

that was 8 years ago and even now after experimenting with DMT for years, that experience seems no less sacred in my mind and is probably my most treasured psychedelic experience. to be slowly cradled into the mystical realms is something so deeply profound. it allows you to tune into the very mechanics of the psychedelic experience.. by no means less epic than going all the way through to them in seconds the way dmt does imo (ironically though dmt I find somewhat kinder and more nurturing...more of a "communion" ). LSD is a completely differen't beast to DMT or any psychedelic for that matter - and it will always be a member of my toolkit for that reason alone. I wouldn't worry about it being a dissapointment after experiencing the breakthrough... it is a seriously magic tool
 
LSD was my first psychedelic. Changed my life the very first night I had taken it. I think I had taken a little more than I should have, not knowing a whole lot about LSD at the time.

2-2.5 hours in and I was laying on the ground watching reality whisp away into Infinity, dissolving and reassembling with earth shattering complexity, no words for those moments.

Fast forward 4 years later, never having heard about DMT, at a friends apartment, with his brothers apartment below. I went downstairs to visit my friends brother one night. Sitting there smoking, he asked if I had ever "been to the land?". 😁 That was the only time i'd heard the experience of DMT referred to as that. Fitting in ways hehe. He then quickly goes on to say he has about 700mg of mostly white, slightly yellow, floral smelling DMT. I sat back on his couch, dimmed lighting casting shadows. I asked for something electronic, maybe high bpm. He puts on some older van buuren. he sticks the chillum in my mouth as my heads tilted back slightly. There was compact cigarette ash in the bottom, with the DMT placed on top.

He carefully waves the lighter over top, I start to taste the floral tones of the DMT, eventually I start to feel a slightly warm mouthful of vapor. "Hold hold hold" he says. I started to notice the shifting of the environment around me, the shadows crawling, the dim lighting starting to break, casting an enormous prismatic radiance. He then asked me if I wanted a second? I said yes.

Same as before, took another lungful. Right as I took the toke I looked up at my friends brothers face and the air surrounding it. Everything began to disassemble, spin inward, tumble, his face splitting into a hyperdimensional kabuki mask. The light off his face casting dancing worlds into my vision. The trance music became completely unrecognizable, eventually fading into a distant complex of vibrations.

It hit me hard and fast. Single cell life, the planets, all was a slide show presentation of the evolution of human beings and countless other lifeforms. All these beings, like scintillating sparks from the Infinite, being cast forth in rudimentary form, all evolving to within their inherent nature, spanning inconceivable amounts of time.

I came to, huge smiles, ran upstairs to my other friends, saucer eyed, ranting and raving about what had just happened. Of course I got goofy stares. That didn't matter though. That night changed the course of it all for me. Not too much longer after that I stumbled on mckenna, his talks on DMT, the rest is history.
 
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