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From suicidal to… something else: ayahuasca experience report

Sicho Naut

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Last Christmas I was lucky enough to be invited to two ayahuasca ceremonies with Huni Kuin shamans (which actually was one two-day ceremony with two parts). Having gone at it alone with psychedelics for nine years, I have never believed that ayahuasca should exclusively be done under shamanic supervision. However, I was happily amazed at how powerfully the ceremonial aspect influences the experience. This was one of the most incredible experiences of my life and although I will continue to trip alone, I will now probably do it in an authentic shamanic setting whenever I can.

The experience is too much to describe fully but in what follows I explore how the ceremony caused a powerful psychic shift.



Confronting the desire to die

The most important thing to happen was becoming fully aware of my desire to die, to put it plainly. This was not a complete surprise, as I had (once again) been dealing with depression and bouts of suicidal ideation in the preceding months, but I had no idea that my tiredness of living went as deep as ayahuasca showed me.

I’m only 31, but I came to see that an increasingly large part of me simply does not want to go on. I’ve become ready to give up due to sheer exhaustion, paired with the fact that I cannot conceive of a future that motivates me to continue bearing what I’ve been bearing. There are several reasons for this state of being, amongst which a troubled relationship and having been chronically ill for a decade, which started in the tail end of a largely suffocating and stressful time of youth.

I came to truly see my condition and its implications: this is it, the end of the road. I really and truly am done for. To continue for decades whilst being horrified by the sheer fact of consciousness, poisoning the people around me with my misery, is simply too absurd to accept— death is better. To lock myself up in a white objectless room whilst wanting to die, just so that I don’t, is too absurd to accept— death is better. In this moment, I could not conceive of any future that would relieve me of my exhaustion with life— so only one option remained. Gradually, after a lot of crying, I came to accept my destiny to self-annihilate and felt an immense burden being lifted from my shoulders.

As the above realization unfolded, an additional and deeper reason for my death wish revealed itself: I came to see that as a child and teenager I felt very much unloved. I know for a fact that my parents ‘intended’ me, but nonetheless our toxic relationship made my young mind feel, unconsciously, that my existence was a kind of cosmic error. Unconsciously, my existence felt like an absurd nightmare in which I was created only to be hated and despised by my very creators. Unconsciously, I felt it to be my responsibility to undo my parents’ mistake— this was to be my task and meaning in life: to relieve the universe of my existence. This conviction, ayahuasca showed me, has been a fundamental motive underlying my suicidal urges, to which other life-difficulties have made me increasingly susceptible over the years.

What followed was a vivid fantasy in which I visit my parents in a state of extreme anger and despair and forcefully ask them to kill me. I tell them: I don’t want to live anymore and the fault is yours. Now kill me. Please kill me. I imagine them refusing my request and me asking why? and receiving various answers. When my father says that he does not want to go to jail, I ask him: Would you do it if you could get away with it? We’ll find a way. But he says he would not and I continue pressing: Why won’t you kill me? Why won’t you kill me? Until finally I get them to the point where they have to admit it: They won’t kill me, because they love me.

This ‘fantasy’ has made me believe that truly my parents would not want to kill me or would not have wanted to kill me in the past for reasons that surpass the troublesome logistics of murder, that indeed they would not because of an intrinsic value they attribute to my existence. In other words, I can now believe that they have and did have love for me, despite everything that occurred between us.

After having accepted the inevitability of suicide, a profound lightness and sense of freedom introduced itself. I saw that although it is indeed no option to continue living in the state I have been living in – that indeed I should and will end the absurdity if it continues – that I may yet find enough love for life to want to continue. Suddenly, the door to life opened again, even if it was with but a crack. The question arose: What can I do to want to live again?

Already a great step forward is that ayahuasca, through the above-described fantasy, seems to have relieved me of the sabotaging and soul-sucking conviction that my existence is a mistake. I am now more able to genuinely believe that my existence has intrinsic value. Other contributors to my existential tiredness still exist and being chronically ill still makes it difficult to conceive of a motivating future, but reaching this bottom has given me a deepened sense of freedom and relief from various fears, which is also already an improvement. I am free to give this ‘project’ to love life again my all, because I know the only other option is a wee bit final.

I am still trying to find my footing and am not sure how this ‘project’ will unfold further. I know it will include continuing my work with psychedelic medicines and other consciousness-expanding techniques, as well as trying improve my bodily state and fixing – or separating myself from – other draining components of my existence. However, the most important way of re-opening myself up to life presented itself a bit later in the trip, which I explore in the following section.



Living in the Now of Impending Death

When I asked myself how I could learn to love life again during the trip, I still found it difficult to picture a future that motivated continued living. I could imagine some improvements, yes, some ways to make life a little easier, but nothing that made me wholeheartedly say ‘yes’ to life and overcome my exhaustion. I began to see that the answer is not to concoct some desirable future but instead to fully and truly let go of it—to simply live, from Now to Now. More precisely, I came to see that if I can welcome death at all times, I will open up to life again. This state of being, as I’ll explain, is a very different one from wanting to die.

As mentioned above, I felt an immense burden being lifted from my shoulders once I came to accept my imminent suicide. All concern for the future dissipated, because I had none. Deep sadness made way for a profound tranquility. When later in the trip I asked myself how I could learn to love life again, it became clear that I would if I could sustain the serenity that had come to engulf me— but without the promise of suicide to enable it. It became obvious that if I wanted to live, I had to maintain this surrender to death yet give up the desire and intention to do it myself. The irony is that the labors of survival have been an important cause of my suicidal urges. Life has exhausted me so because I’ve clung to myself, resisting things I don’t want and desiring things I lack, constantly trying to take care of my future, which because of various challenges has been an overwhelming task. This had become a way of being so miserable and self-important (though naturally human) that it brought me to the point of wanting to die.

The solution, then, is not suicide, but to find a way of being free of these things, and this requires me to let go of myself, to let go of this constant concern with my own continuance and the quality thereof. It requires living in the Now, fully, which is only facilitated by being able to welcome death at any moment. Anything less entails a concern with one’s own future and will use up energy and divorce oneself, however subtly, from the current moment.

I don’t know how I would now respond to a tiger chasing me or a gun in my face. Probably not all that willingly, but I have let go a lot. I am more present, less fearful and controlling of my life, more ‘expansive’ somehow. I sleep better and longer, often. I forget about annoyances faster. I still have bad moods and anger and sadness and sometimes depression, though I seem to move more easily through these feelings. I see the willingness to die as something to be further integrated and increasingly embodied. This has, paradoxically, created a somewhat more positive image of the future to keep me going. Throughout the day I am now constantly checking in with how I would feel if I were to die that very instant— whatever resistance that I become conscious of, I can now let go of. When I do, I instantly feel better.

I should add that this what I’ve come to call ‘living in the Now of Impending Death’ does not mean obeying whatever whim you happen to have in the moment. It does not – or not intrinsically – entail being stupid or irresponsible or self-destructive. You can still have goals and projects, as long as you remain willing to die at all times with those goals and projects incomplete and with all your efforts toward them to have been in vain. I suppose this ‘state’ is characterized by a strange cognitive dissonance, in which the future is used as compass to guide you from Now to Now, but without it controlling you.

I realize that much of the above probably sounds somewhat unhinged. But I can tell you that it is at least a better unhinged than the suicidal kind. Maybe in time I can become like a normal person again, afraid to die because he likes life…!



Zijn is wat we zijn

I should add that somehow intertwined with this notion of a continual openness to death was a mystical ‘experience’ that occurred at some point after having accepted my imminent suicide. Words can’t possibly describe what is ineffable, so all I can say is that ‘I’ saw that fundamentally I am already dead because I have never really existed. Death, I came to understand, is simply a matter of waking up from a cosmic daydream, which is what my life is. Understanding this notion and staying in touch with the ‘experience’ that engendered it makes it a whole lot easier to accept death, whenever it may come.
 
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Thank you for sharing this powerful and moving account of your experience. It's especially good to hear of how a skillful ceremony has brought you so much progress.

Regarding your reframing of your troubled childhood, from a personal perspective on what could be the next steps: peeling back the layers of accumulated experience of our forefathers - parents, grandparents, ever back through the generations - we come to see how emotional coldness and other aspects of, shall we say, sub-optimal parenting, all have their roots far down that chain of karma. In my own case, finding out some stuff about my grandparents and great grandparents really made a big difference for me. It's perhaps easy to see how, especially given the history of y/our region, generational trauma plays its role in all of this.

Regarding the ceremony, were there any particular aspects of it that you felt to be most significant in guiding or otherwise manifesting the degree of healing which you've encountered? How might you envisage applying these aspects to future, solo journeys?

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Peace, strength and inspiration to you for the year ahead! Tf
 
What a wonderful, profound, experience. Thank you for sharing. Which part of the world was the ceremony in?
I am not massively experienced with ayahuasca ceremonies, having participated less than ten times. Two ceremonies (my first experience) with a western 'shaman', another few led by someone who was not a shaman, and the last two on my own. Music has been a part of all of these ceremonies, but I have never experienced icaros sung by a genuine, indigenous, shaman, or a ceremony led by one, but I do have friends who have experienced this, both in Peru, and Europe, and they all say that the singing of the icaros change and amplify the experience in unfathomable ways.
I feel these people are connected to the true energy of the plants that unlock all of this magic in our minds, and their experience allows them to feel what we need from our journey, and guide us accordingly.
During my solo ceremonies, I played icaros from a playlist I had made, but obviously I had no idea what the icaros meaning, or when a shaman might use these, so while it was good for providing a setting that felt right, it was simply a lucky dip, with no connection to my actual journey.
It does feel strange to me that many folk seem to believe there is no difference between pharmahuacsa and ayahuasca, extracted DMT from synthetic, or even between using caapi vine and syrian rue in a tea. From my understanding, the knowledge gained by the ayahuascero comes from their work with different plants, both as a dieta, and during ceremonies themselves, so it makes sense to me that experiences led by folk such as these are going to open doors and reveal things that people making their own teas, or pharmahuasca, or whatever, are far less likely to discover on their own, or with the guidance of a 'shaman' who does not have this kind of deep experiental knowledge.
I'm not sure disrepsectful is the right word, but I do find it strange hearing people treating any kind of oral DMT experience as just a boost to play video games, or talk random bollocks in a chat room with.
I very much want to go to the jungle in Peru and experience an authentic ceremony with someone who has been immersing themselves in the plants and medicine their whole life.
 
Wow, what an experience. It just shows how powerful and life changing a well orchestrated ceremony is.
I recognized a lot of myself in your writing, especially stuff with family. When family issues came up in ceremony once,
it was a complete surprise. Still working with it, really. And yes, generational trauma is real.
Honestly, your insight about death sounds like a superpower, if one can fully integrate it.
All the best on your journey 🙏

I very much want to go to the jungle in Peru and experience an authentic ceremony with someone who has been immersing themselves in the plants and medicine their whole life.

Me too, my fellow human. I plan to move there later in life if God allows.
I'm a bit sick of western lifestyle at this point. Would rather herd sheep in the Andes or do a dieta instead of
work anxiety, bills and all the good stuff.
Peace.
 
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Thank you all for your thoughtful replies!

Regarding your reframing of your troubled childhood, from a personal perspective on what could be the next steps: peeling back the layers of accumulated experience of our forefathers - parents, grandparents, ever back through the generations - we come to see how emotional coldness and other aspects of, shall we say, sub-optimal parenting, all have their roots far down that chain of karma. In my own case, finding out some stuff about my grandparents and great grandparents really made a big difference for me. It's perhaps easy to see how, especially given the history of y/our region, generational trauma plays its role in all of this.
Thanks for this suggestion-- Could you elaborate a little on "the history of y/our region"? I think I know what you're getting at but maybe not. If I've deduced correctly from some of your posts, I am your southern neighbor, yes?

Regarding the ceremony, were there any particular aspects of it that you felt to be most significant in guiding or otherwise manifesting the degree of healing which you've encountered? How might you envisage applying these aspects to future, solo journeys?
The most incredible thing was how the chants and music affected my consciousness. At one point I was lying down feeling weak and drowsy, but then the chanting literally pulled me upright against my will. I wanted to lie down because my body was aching but the shamans simply did not allow it. I truly had no choice. Soon after I started to purge, which was so clearly pulled out of me by the shamans' voices. I've puked several times on psychedelics, but this was a way different experience. On the second night I consumed more ayahuasca but there was no purging, even though factors like diet and not having eaten etc. had been pretty much identical. At another point, one of chants elicited a mystical experience of unity (iirc this was one on the first night and not the one I briefly describe above), and I seemed to not be the only one, because suddenly a lot of people sat up and almost everyone started singing along, becoming as one voice. I did not verify with other participants afterward whether they had this experience, but that is what is looked like to me. Also, the constant presence of the voice work and music (the second half of the night is more celebratory and includes guitar music) creates a background sense of safety and always gives your mind something to focus upon, preventing you from getting lost in unhealthy thought loops (though it is still possible, obviously). Various symbolic acts also create a sense of togetherness, even though your personal space is completely respected during the experience itself. More broadly, it also helped that there were a lot of pleasant people to share the experience with and that the organizor (not a shaman) was one of the most goodhearted individuals I've ever met.

Re: applying some aspects to solo journeys I had a few ideas:
-Introducing some ceremonial acts, e.g. cleansing the space with smudging and/or prayers, or stating your intention before consuming substance. Like ms_manic_minx says in her aya thread (iirc), this is useful even for hard-nosed sceptics because these actions significantly affect a non-rational part of your mind no matter how you evaluate them intellectually. You don't have to believe in God to believe in praying.

-The ceremony also included rapé (and near the end sananga), which definitely had a strong influence on the experience. However, I find it hard to say how exactly because my experience with this medicine is very limited. But it seems like something to explore and possibly add to solo journeys as well.

-Taking the dieta seriously: Cleaning up your diet and eating blandly, but also avoiding sex and social media and entertainment and too many social events was definitely a powerful form of psychological preparation that created room for a deep experience. Even if these restrictions were entirely arbitrary (which IMO they are not), it would still be good to follow them because it makes your mind anticipate and get ready for a powerful experience. I don’t think it would be good for the dieta to become a source of stress, but simply doing your genuine best to follow its guidelines without becoming neurotic is definitely recommend, IMO.

-I could have left on the first night with a sense of 'wow, that was something', but in retrospect it is obvious that this first night was pretty much laying the groundwork for the second night. Doing the ayahuasca two days in a row was very, very powerful. I now intend to experiment responsibly with consecutive solo journeys as well.

-Theoretically, involving music would be nice as well, but like EmeraldAtomiser says, there really is no way to replicate the live presence of a shaman. I expect I'll prefer silence over an inferior replication.

Which part of the world was the ceremony in?
Europe, one of the Low Countries ;) (not sure how precise the Nexus guidelines allow me to be)
 
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I do consider dieta a master plant teacher itself when done across long stretches of time ~

For solo trips, the few I have had have been incredibly amazing and touching. I am only doing light doses though. I was inspired by some friends of mine who work in the space industry to make a Preflight checklist. The first step is site selection, then there is pre-trip phase, and launch phase xD I make considerations like pre-running the the site for any unpredictable phenomena like hoards of bugs running into my clothes to bite me, or insane levels of mosquitos, or too much coldness, and on an on. I set aside the time in my calendar and select a location which doesn't have too many risks if roaming about unconsciously, or vulnerably (such as falling, drowning, vehicles, or people risks). I enter trips from a place of pre-existing discipline and sobriety. The fast for at least 2 days helps (with at least one full day after the trip also fasting), and I try to go into a fast itself with a few days of low glycemic index diet since 2-3 day fasts do have rebounds the first few days if you are coming from an unhealthy diet and we are aiming for energetic clarity not food withdrawal and toxin purges. Site selection for me encourages aloneness and privacy for freedom of both bathroom, chants, or behaviors, you might wish to do. I take considerations into account like is there a place to sit and/or lay comfortably, am I in both adequately comfortable(and non-constrictive) but also protective clothes. Protection is oftentimes thermal, solar, and insects. I try to select a site which has low risk for complications to arise and which will be stable for the duration of the trip. I take extra cautions for hypothermia, and I never put sunscreen anywhere near my eyes xD I also wear a hat. I try to familiarize myself with the environment when I pre-run the trip-sit for 30 minutes just so that I know kindof what is around me and where I am. When I trip and most of the prelaunch is done, my blanket on the ground, my shoes off and clothes ready, I'm sitting, I have the psychedelic out in front of me, I meditate for a few minutes like 15 or 30 minutes to clarify then I send off an existential thanks and well wishes to those in my heart and mind. Then I take the psychedelic scrament :)


I do believe intent is reflected in the entirety of who you are, and what you do. Every step of the way before the trip reflects intent. For instance, I have a lot of intent to craft a beautiful environment for future her to be extremely vulnerable. it's a gift across time, prepared out of care and discipline. Also just who you are in your day to day life reflects tons of intent. are you going into this trip to heal or extract something? are you expecting to have fun? gain insights? gain something? are you radically curious? are you just in love with the process? what is your relationship to tripping? I have personally never had intent or integration of a trip myself, the way our culture seems to view those things. The intent is reflected in every action leading up to the trip. I don't really perceive trips to be so shocking that they need to be 'integrated' into something else. My serene and terrifying trips have all been very reflective of who was going into that situation. Some of the difficulties I faced receded back within me, into forgotteneness because I could not handle them at the time. Shamanic ceremonies, guided by experienced and lovely shamans have created beautiful moments to balm some of these experiences. Now I mostly trip on my own physically, but also existentially, as I believe we all eventually must do in our last moments, and as the shaman does for their people.


The energy behind your words in this write up is really beautiful, and I'm so glad to have stumbled across it this morning. Thank you for sharing all this! I hope some of my ramblings can inspire you. I also bring a lot of elements from buddhist practice into my solo trips as well. key are some of the diet, sleep, mediation routines, and then also the SIT and the art of openness, or focus which they cultivate is so powerful. Many of the fears you might have can be centered with focus practices, and sitting in lotus is psychedelic and clarifying in and of itself. After 2-3 hours your clarity from the lotus sit naturally starts building a snowball momentum of its own, without any of your own intervention. It keeps building the longer you sit, and this too helps you open up to the energy of the plant medicines, as a sort of energetic fast of movement of the human body itself. And the sounds of the natural environment I would like to add, definitely hold space for you of their own accord I feel. Especially wind, waves, creek sounds, birds, etc there is the universe itself holding shamanic space for you if you. I don't know about artificial settings like indoors without a shaman to make chant/rhythm yet. it's one reason why I love being with the outdoors, is because it's just always there with you in the most elegant and neutral way.
 
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