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Fumarate or Freebase for oral administration?

Kalitechnik

Kalitechnik

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Hey guys. I just read that some people advises to use fumarate deems for oral administration instead of freebase. Is it really makes such a difference?
If yes i would have to look closer into the methods of getting fumarate, as now i am only familiar with freebase extraction.
 
Updated link here:

The FASA Method: A Summary - DMT Fumarate and Beyond

The FASA Method: DMT Fumarate and Beyond ("FASA" stands for Fumaric Acid Saturated Acetone. I'll use that acronym throughout this post to refer to anhydrous acetone that has been saturated with fumaric acid. 100 mL of acetone can dissolve about 618 mg of fumaric acid) I had no involvement in...
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Some salt forms (different anions/acid components) may absorb more effectively than others but this is largely anecdotal.
 
Yea that wil be no problem since “jungle spice” is mostly just dmt. Just mix a bit of fumaric acid in water and dissolve the freebase in there.

I would like to tip you on a thread about colored dmt and also read the linkt threads in there to learn more about the research that has been done on the so called jungle spice.

red yellow white spice whats the difference?

So I had a wicked intense dream and I wrote it all down. Here it is: There are many rumor's flying around about yellow spice, red spice, white spice, pink spice, purple spice, orange spice, upside down spice, sideways and backwards inside out spice. :shock: I think its time we settle the...
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Hey Varallo.
I am aware of that post, however i read also other interesting one, that points that the jungle spice is not "mostly dmt".
I mean if teh puuls are done with xylene or toluena AFTER most of the DMT was pulled with Naptha/Ether then it is something else.
I would like to check it on my own, so i am collecting now my spent bark solution and soon will do some puuls with xylene.
And then i will check it on my own. Since as for now i have an experience that the first deems i got from my friend had a bit different effect on me than the one i extracted my self in first extractions.

Here is the mentioned post about jungle spice.

"Jungle Spice" - Mystery Alkaloids of Mimosa Root Bark

"Jungle Spice" - Mystery Alkaloids of Mimosa Root Bark by Entropymancer Synonyms - Jungle DMT, red spice, red DMT, dark spice, dark DMT, etc. So just what is Jungle spice? Jungle spice is one of many names that have been applied to an intriguing non-DMT alkaloid fraction that can be isolated...
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cheers.
 
Yes there are two links in that thread the one above the one you refer to is the follow up some time later, there the various samples are analyzed and they are mostly dmt, even the one made by extracting with xylene or toluene. I also remember people doing blind testing and where not able to tell what’s dmt and what’s JS, can’t remember the tread but you should be able to find it.

Anyway have a try yourself and set your experiment up, it’s a lot of fun, and then if you think you have jungle spice use kykeon to analyze your product to verify your JS.

Take care

Ow I think this one is interesting too

Mimosa hostilis and extract analysis thread (FASA, FASW, Naphtha, Limo, "jungle spice" etc

(edit: New analysis from 2023) Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#148 ) Jan 2023 Origin: : Brazil Results: DMT 0.85% NMT 0.52% Yuremamine 0.35% DMT N-oxide 0.05% Bufotenine 0.003% Mimosa hostilis rootbark (#149) Jan 2023 Origin: : Mexico Results: DMT 0.76% NMT 0.35% Yuremamine 0.29% DMT N-Oxide...
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Does it really make a big difference? Shouldn’t freebase turn to salt immediately as it hit stomach acid?

I know HM prefers feeebase, according to him more accurate dosing. Apparently fumerate can have “excess fumeric acid” and some other complexities making dosing unpredictable.
 
spyfish said:
Does it really make a big difference? Shouldn’t freebase turn to salt immediately as it hit stomach acid?

I know HM prefers feeebase, according to him more accurate dosing. Apparently fumerate can have “excess fumeric acid” and some other complexities making dosing unpredictable.
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i wonder the same. just read this today...

Infundibulum said:
DMT-fumarate can also be used for oral consumption with MAOIs, but SWIM doubts whether it has any advantages over dissolving the freebase in some orange juice or whatever and then gulping it. Different dmt salts may have different pharmacokinetics (means that consumption of dmt-fumarate can be different from consumption of dmt-citrate or dmt acetate). SWIM has never really been impressed much from oral dmt fumarate.
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And another one, saying that freebase is totally fine for oral. So how it is?

bufoman said:
Much of this statement is basically incorrect. The only thing that fum would be advantageous for is Injections. Orally the freebase is fine as it is the unionized freebase that is absorbed by the intestine.
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Kalitechnik said:
And another one, saying that freebase is totally fine for oral. So how it is?
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Unless you're using enteric coated capsules, the freebase will get converted to the protonated form by stomach HCl anyhow, as previously mentioned.
Kalitechnik said:
@Transform do you know if the jungle spice can be changed to fumarates for oral administration?
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I'm not sure that I even believe in jungle spice at this point. Coloured freebase will obviously combine with acid though. And you've already had a bit of fun with xylene and fumaric acid so you may well have more recent experience in that field than me now. I haven't bothered doing anything with xylene or fumarates for about a decade. It got a bit stinky and a bit fiddly, then I moved house.
 
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