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get off the benzos
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you might need to go to a detox. comming off benzodiazepines is dangerous, can even be fatal. i dont know how addicted to benzos you are but in a professional setting they would detox you with phenobarbital. withdrawl from benzos can cause pretty bad seizures. ive seen some guys in rehab with no family history of epilepsy have wicked seizures. good luck!
good thing im a junkie Suboxone is a wonder drug! simply wonderful
good thing im a junkie Suboxone is a wonder drug! simply wonderful
acamprosate may be a good place to start, naltrexone to break the addiction.
the latter is used for opiate addiction, but reportedly works for alcohol addiction. keep in mind.. benzos act on the same receptors as alcohol: GABA-A.
the latter is used for opiate addiction, but reportedly works for alcohol addiction. keep in mind.. benzos act on the same receptors as alcohol: GABA-A.
Some years ago there was a lot of talk about Ibogaine being a miracle cure for Opiate/alcohol dependence but never seemed to materialize into a real approved treatment. No surprise I guess.
Anyway what everyone else said, seek professional help, if you have a serious addiction to those its no joke.
Maybe if that doesn't work try and hunt down a healer that uses Ibogaine as part of the process.
Anyway what everyone else said, seek professional help, if you have a serious addiction to those its no joke.
Maybe if that doesn't work try and hunt down a healer that uses Ibogaine as part of the process.
Reborn said:
funny (really not, though) how C-I scheduling tends to do that
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MAPS Supported Ibogaine Research:
www.maps.org
Kava and others could work for substitution when youre daily amount is already low dosed .
If not , youd first have to lower it.
Altough a strong psychedelic experience like Ibogaine or Ayahuasca during the Psychic Withdrawal should support the Process .
And you dont have the danger to get caught by another addiction , like with Substitution.
Wish you good luck .
Ibogaine
Ibogaine 10-methoxyibogamine Formula: C20H26N2O Drug class: Psychedelic; dissociative; tryptamine Other names: Iboga Onset of action: 30-180 minutes Peak: 18-36 hours Ibogaine Ibogaine is a psychoactive alkaloid naturally occurring in the West African shrub iboga. While ibogaine is a mild...
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Kava and others could work for substitution when youre daily amount is already low dosed .
If not , youd first have to lower it.
Altough a strong psychedelic experience like Ibogaine or Ayahuasca during the Psychic Withdrawal should support the Process .
And you dont have the danger to get caught by another addiction , like with Substitution.
Wish you good luck .
Yes its very sad this type of research is pushed into the background.
With the current administration there is no hope.
Not that I am a Obama fan but maybe he will be better in that regard (doubt it though).
I have looked over MAPS in detail.
They seem very legit, we should all support that effort in anyway we can.
Just word of mouth and telling people is a first good step.
With the current administration there is no hope.
Not that I am a Obama fan but maybe he will be better in that regard (doubt it though).
I have looked over MAPS in detail.
They seem very legit, we should all support that effort in anyway we can.
Just word of mouth and telling people is a first good step.
while I don't think psychedelic research is an immediate priority (I'm biased towards infectious disease research), I don't think it should be barred either; definitely worth spreading the word. I'm thoroughly convinced the pharmaceutical companies are behind a lot of suppressive legislation through campaign (soft) money. it's not a conspiracy theory, but rather, an obvious fact.
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
The pharmacutical and the insurance companies all stand to earn profit at the expense of the masses through misinformation,political curruption,yada,yada,yada.
Unfortunately swim isnt in a position to take 5 to 7 days off from work to be under medical supervision.He's really only been steadily taking xanax for around 2 months.Recently his daily cosnumption has got up to 4mg (2 bars),so its not too,too bad.I think if swim continuesly weens down to .5mg over a period of a couple weeks to a month then like associativum said,start supplimenting some kava to relieve some of the anxiety and shit that comes w/detox.I think it's the knowing of the inevitable discomfort, is what sucks the most,right now.I was wondering if anyone knew of any other natural ways of easing the inevitable. thanx for everyones feedback
Unfortunately swim isnt in a position to take 5 to 7 days off from work to be under medical supervision.He's really only been steadily taking xanax for around 2 months.Recently his daily cosnumption has got up to 4mg (2 bars),so its not too,too bad.I think if swim continuesly weens down to .5mg over a period of a couple weeks to a month then like associativum said,start supplimenting some kava to relieve some of the anxiety and shit that comes w/detox.I think it's the knowing of the inevitable discomfort, is what sucks the most,right now.I was wondering if anyone knew of any other natural ways of easing the inevitable. thanx for everyones feedback
Like others have said a benzo addiction can be a pretty hard core thing to break... Xanax is the worst of the bunch. Take it very, very slow. A taper program that has worked for many people can be found here 4mg of xanax is a pretty high dose and it may take more than 5-7 days to get off of it...more like months. Please be careful, even with slow tapers serious withdrawals can occur. Many have had success using Valium to taper off with. Good Luck
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
you guys are amazing. Almost in tears (dont tell anygody) Its a dark secret of mine that i've only shared in this forum.Things are sooo good for me right now (bussiness/girlfriend) and i am truly blessed,it's just that i have this one thing hanging over my head that is always in the back of my mind.fortunately that dark secret or hasnt manifested itself in any dmt experiences yet,anyway.I really want to go on an ayahuasca retreat down to the amazon,might be the healing journey i need. Thanx all -DW
Its a dark secret of mine that i've only shared in this forum.Things are sooo good for me right now (bussiness/girlfriend) and i am truly blessed,it's just that i have this one thing hanging over my head that is always in the back of my mind.fortunately that dark secret or hasnt manifested itself in any dmt experiences yet,anyway.I really want to go on an ayahuasca retreat down to the amazon,might be the healing journey i need. Thanx all -DWTrYpt / PhEnEtHyl -AMinE
Rising Star
I don't know the details of your addiction but the best way to cease any substance one is addicted to is to wane off it, cold turkey can be pretty horrible.
Here's the thing, one of the most powerful types of benzos is rohypnol (flunitrazepam), so I'll give a waning regiment starting with that...
Rohypnol/flunitrazepam --- slowly lower the dosage then move to
Klonopin/clonazepam --- repeat slow dosage lowering then move to
Xanax/alprazolam --- repeat slow dosage lowering and eventually cease OR move to
Alcohol --- not a benzodiazepine but affects GABA neurotransmitter activity in the same way, which is why extreme alcoholism leads to similar withdrawal symptoms
===> If you move to alcohol you can start with it at about 3 glasses of wine spread out over the whole day (with each meal) then eventually lower it down to 1 glass a day which is a healthy consumption amount that helps prevent heart disease (red wine)...or you can cease entirely
****Medical attention is something you should seriously consider seeking as with GABA-related addictions seizures may persist indefinitely, I personally have a former alcoholic in the family who has been clean for several years yet still experiences severe seizures...
As for substances that might help your withdrawals, I know that Nootropil/Piracetam is a natural derivative of GABA and seeing as the main problem with GABA-stimulating substance withdrawal is a lack of synaptic GABA, it might help... Nootropil/Piracetam is actually approved in many places for the treatment of Alcoholism and seeing as the neurological effects of alcohol withdrawal and benzodiazepine withdrawal are extremely similar, I am sure that it should help.
Ibogaine has only been researched for and proven to work for the termination of opiate withdrawals, there is some evidence that it also helps with alcoholism and stimulant addiction but considering it is illegal (Schedule I) in the United States and they recently (2005) started prosecuting people for importing it using internet connections, it would be a very dangerous substance to seek. If you wish to risk legal action, the best route to go would be to attempt an extraction from the legal, native plant, Chinese Star Jasmine/Confederate Jasmine... You might also wish to book a "vacation" to Mexico or Canada as there are many ibogaine addiction treatment facilities in those countries and the period of time required for in-patient ibogaine treatment is extremely short in comparison to other detox programs.
Speaking of illegal substances, there is some research that shows that LSD helps with alcohol withdrawals (again, extremely similar to benzodiazepines) and someone I know actually watched a friend of theirs go through alcohol withdrawals whilst under its influence, the friend did not experience any seizures, only minor tremors, and experienced very little personal discomfort. Again, this is a risky way to go as you are living in the United States.
Whilst I'm on a roll I'll give you one last suggestion that would probably not be a good idea, due to the impairment involved. Recent research from MAPS (the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies) and other organizations shows that ketamine may help deal with the pains of all kinds of withdrawal, including alcohol/benzodiazepines, and it definitely helps with withdrawal related seizures...ketamine is illegal....HOWEVER, a very, very closely related substance, dextromethorphan is readily available over-the-counter, it is the active ingredient in several cough medicines (if you are looking for it be sure to choose a medicine that contains ONLY dextromethorphan and nothing else, one suggestion would be Robitussin gelcaps)... the real catch with this one is that in doses that are high enough to stave off the withdrawal, there's plenty of impairment, dextromethorphan/DXM is a dissociative anesthetic hallucinogen... recreational doses of robitussin gelcaps range from 10 to 80 caps, with 10 producing mild dissociation, euphoria and some dizziness.
ALL of these suggestions are risky, as like I stated earlier, there is a risk that you will be prone to seizures indefinitely following cessation of benzodiazepines after developing an addiction...
Good luck.
Here's the thing, one of the most powerful types of benzos is rohypnol (flunitrazepam), so I'll give a waning regiment starting with that...
Rohypnol/flunitrazepam --- slowly lower the dosage then move to
Klonopin/clonazepam --- repeat slow dosage lowering then move to
Xanax/alprazolam --- repeat slow dosage lowering and eventually cease OR move to
Alcohol --- not a benzodiazepine but affects GABA neurotransmitter activity in the same way, which is why extreme alcoholism leads to similar withdrawal symptoms
===> If you move to alcohol you can start with it at about 3 glasses of wine spread out over the whole day (with each meal) then eventually lower it down to 1 glass a day which is a healthy consumption amount that helps prevent heart disease (red wine)...or you can cease entirely
****Medical attention is something you should seriously consider seeking as with GABA-related addictions seizures may persist indefinitely, I personally have a former alcoholic in the family who has been clean for several years yet still experiences severe seizures...
As for substances that might help your withdrawals, I know that Nootropil/Piracetam is a natural derivative of GABA and seeing as the main problem with GABA-stimulating substance withdrawal is a lack of synaptic GABA, it might help... Nootropil/Piracetam is actually approved in many places for the treatment of Alcoholism and seeing as the neurological effects of alcohol withdrawal and benzodiazepine withdrawal are extremely similar, I am sure that it should help.
Ibogaine has only been researched for and proven to work for the termination of opiate withdrawals, there is some evidence that it also helps with alcoholism and stimulant addiction but considering it is illegal (Schedule I) in the United States and they recently (2005) started prosecuting people for importing it using internet connections, it would be a very dangerous substance to seek. If you wish to risk legal action, the best route to go would be to attempt an extraction from the legal, native plant, Chinese Star Jasmine/Confederate Jasmine... You might also wish to book a "vacation" to Mexico or Canada as there are many ibogaine addiction treatment facilities in those countries and the period of time required for in-patient ibogaine treatment is extremely short in comparison to other detox programs.
Speaking of illegal substances, there is some research that shows that LSD helps with alcohol withdrawals (again, extremely similar to benzodiazepines) and someone I know actually watched a friend of theirs go through alcohol withdrawals whilst under its influence, the friend did not experience any seizures, only minor tremors, and experienced very little personal discomfort. Again, this is a risky way to go as you are living in the United States.
Whilst I'm on a roll I'll give you one last suggestion that would probably not be a good idea, due to the impairment involved. Recent research from MAPS (the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies) and other organizations shows that ketamine may help deal with the pains of all kinds of withdrawal, including alcohol/benzodiazepines, and it definitely helps with withdrawal related seizures...ketamine is illegal....HOWEVER, a very, very closely related substance, dextromethorphan is readily available over-the-counter, it is the active ingredient in several cough medicines (if you are looking for it be sure to choose a medicine that contains ONLY dextromethorphan and nothing else, one suggestion would be Robitussin gelcaps)... the real catch with this one is that in doses that are high enough to stave off the withdrawal, there's plenty of impairment, dextromethorphan/DXM is a dissociative anesthetic hallucinogen... recreational doses of robitussin gelcaps range from 10 to 80 caps, with 10 producing mild dissociation, euphoria and some dizziness.
ALL of these suggestions are risky, as like I stated earlier, there is a risk that you will be prone to seizures indefinitely following cessation of benzodiazepines after developing an addiction...
Good luck.
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
WoW, a lot of good info. I just came upon it now,although i'm not to crazy about the robotripping idea at the end.
I was looking into ibodaine and found a bunch of clinics but i heard of some people who have done iboga not beaing able to attain a dmt breakthrough months after taking iboga.
I also hear that ayahuasca has a lot of healing properties aswell and is a route i think i'd rather take
for now,i've been weening down w/ xanax but need to switch over to alprazolam and get down to a low level and see how i feel.If i need to lock myself away for a few days,so be it.
My job does not afford extended vacations at the moment. Thanx for the input,it was very helpful.
I was looking into ibodaine and found a bunch of clinics but i heard of some people who have done iboga not beaing able to attain a dmt breakthrough months after taking iboga.
I also hear that ayahuasca has a lot of healing properties aswell and is a route i think i'd rather take
for now,i've been weening down w/ xanax but need to switch over to alprazolam and get down to a low level and see how i feel.If i need to lock myself away for a few days,so be it.
My job does not afford extended vacations at the moment. Thanx for the input,it was very helpful.
Phenobarbital will help, but seriously Xanax is one of the benzo's that is associated with a high risk of seizures during w/d. These seizures can kill you. It's more than just being uncomfortable, it can be deadly.
I highly suggest weaning with help from a doctor that is KNOWLEDGEABLE about benzo w/d's. Many do not understand the severity of it and will taper you off so quick that you are stuck with months of misery. The most important thing is to go VERY slowly. I cannot stress how dangerous Xanax w/d's are. Using herbals to try and detox is dangerous.
One person I have talked to said the way he did it was to make a colloidal of each dose (crush the pill and add a measured amount of water). He would then take out 1 eyedropper full of this solution and discard it. Each week he would increase the amount he would take out. He was able to completely wean off of a massive Xanax habit without any discomfort.
Doing it this way will reduce the amount you take VERY slowly. You will avoid W/D's because your taper is so slow your GABA receptors won't know that it is even happening.
There is NO known herbal that has been proven to help with benzo withdrawals. It is one of the worst physical addictions known to man. PLEASE be careful. The biggest danger during w/d is seizures, which Xanax is notorious for.
Xanax is one of the worst of the bunch. 2-4 weeks is all it takes for a full blown addicition. I saw first hand when I was in rehab years ago for an opiate addiction how bad it is. It baffles me why doctors prescribe it so readily in the US.
BTW alprazolam is generic Xanax. They are the same chemical.
I highly suggest weaning with help from a doctor that is KNOWLEDGEABLE about benzo w/d's. Many do not understand the severity of it and will taper you off so quick that you are stuck with months of misery. The most important thing is to go VERY slowly. I cannot stress how dangerous Xanax w/d's are. Using herbals to try and detox is dangerous.
One person I have talked to said the way he did it was to make a colloidal of each dose (crush the pill and add a measured amount of water). He would then take out 1 eyedropper full of this solution and discard it. Each week he would increase the amount he would take out. He was able to completely wean off of a massive Xanax habit without any discomfort.
Doing it this way will reduce the amount you take VERY slowly. You will avoid W/D's because your taper is so slow your GABA receptors won't know that it is even happening.
There is NO known herbal that has been proven to help with benzo withdrawals. It is one of the worst physical addictions known to man. PLEASE be careful. The biggest danger during w/d is seizures, which Xanax is notorious for.
Xanax is one of the worst of the bunch. 2-4 weeks is all it takes for a full blown addicition. I saw first hand when I was in rehab years ago for an opiate addiction how bad it is. It baffles me why doctors prescribe it so readily in the US.
BTW alprazolam is generic Xanax. They are the same chemical.
Dwhitty76
Rising Star
i like that colloidal taper method,Acolon_5.
I've weened off opiates before with suboxon and was able to fuction in everyday life and not go to rehab bnut i was very detmined.
I was a major heroin addict from arund 1997 -2000 and went to a few rehabs.
There have been a couple relapses over the yrs but no iv heroin just opiate pills,which isnt much better but i didnt get as carried away as i had when i was younger.
I did the 12 step thing for a couple yrs but for my own personal reasons i dont feel AA or NA is for me anymore but i did learn a lot and it did help.
Everything is pretty good in my life write now, except this xanax habit hanging over my head and with all that i've been through i could kick myself in the arse for letting it get where it has.
I might just see a doctor or try something like the colloidal taper but the last thing i need is a seizure (which i've never had before) while i'm driving to work.
That would be putting other people in danger
I've weened off opiates before with suboxon and was able to fuction in everyday life and not go to rehab bnut i was very detmined.
I was a major heroin addict from arund 1997 -2000 and went to a few rehabs.
There have been a couple relapses over the yrs but no iv heroin just opiate pills,which isnt much better but i didnt get as carried away as i had when i was younger.
I did the 12 step thing for a couple yrs but for my own personal reasons i dont feel AA or NA is for me anymore but i did learn a lot and it did help.
Everything is pretty good in my life write now, except this xanax habit hanging over my head and with all that i've been through i could kick myself in the arse for letting it get where it has.
I might just see a doctor or try something like the colloidal taper but the last thing i need is a seizure (which i've never had before) while i'm driving to work.
That would be putting other people in danger