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Getting into the right mindset?
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Before lift-off, take a minute to think about your intention of the journey. Think about what you want to accomplish and why you want just this exact thing to happen. Hold that thought while taking slow, deep breaths for a minimum of two minutes, then inhale the vapors of hyperspace. 
Good luck!
Good luck!
Just caapi alone is good for depression due to it's ability to uptake seratonin binding receptors.
Adding spice to the mix tends stir things up. Yes, it has insanely powerful energetic healing that leaves you in a state of orgasmic bliss
but it also shows you things you never thought possible...so be ready for that...unless you're just working with low doses
Just meditate, ponder and cast your intent, take deep slow breaths, smile, love, and go in when you feel ready...
Adding spice to the mix tends stir things up. Yes, it has insanely powerful energetic healing that leaves you in a state of orgasmic bliss
but it also shows you things you never thought possible...so be ready for that...unless you're just working with low doses
Just meditate, ponder and cast your intent, take deep slow breaths, smile, love, and go in when you feel ready...
Yeah, I have to agree there, pure caapi taken as Ayahuasca is the best in order to heal depression. A high dose of DMT may be counterproductive if you can't make much sense of the experience. A low to medium dose DMT in Ayahuasca could, however, be even better than a pure caapi brew. No matter what, I will strongly encourage you to take the medicine orally, as that seems to be a better way to combat depression. The long duration is great for problems that lie deep, such as depression.
Again, I wish you all the best of luck!
Again, I wish you all the best of luck!
freethinker
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Consider low dose. Low dose Changa can be very calming and rewarding. An excellent ally for centering. SWIY may find it alleviates their depression in the same way? There is much work that can be done floating around the lower threshold.
For preparation, the things that have already been brought up are great suggestions, breathing exercises, and focusing on intention.
Really remind yourself why you wanted to do this to begin with. This is great motivation. Don't think of intention in the context of trying to manipulate the result (ie: I want to get 'this' out of this experience, so I'll focus on it and try to make the experience give me 'this'). Instead, think of intention as a means of opening yourself to making the most of what the experience gives you regardless if the result may appear different from what you sought on first consideration. If you are in tune with your intention, then you'll find value relating to that intention no matter what happens.
Good luck. Share your results so others may benefit!
For preparation, the things that have already been brought up are great suggestions, breathing exercises, and focusing on intention.
Really remind yourself why you wanted to do this to begin with. This is great motivation. Don't think of intention in the context of trying to manipulate the result (ie: I want to get 'this' out of this experience, so I'll focus on it and try to make the experience give me 'this'). Instead, think of intention as a means of opening yourself to making the most of what the experience gives you regardless if the result may appear different from what you sought on first consideration. If you are in tune with your intention, then you'll find value relating to that intention no matter what happens.
Good luck. Share your results so others may benefit!
Changa, particularly in combination with caapi tea, made SWIM face some of the darkness within himself; the very deep roots of his unhappiness. For example - an embedded sense of worthlessness, and of futility and pointlessness, as well as a profound and paralysing fear of death, which appeared to have it's roots in early childhood, which I truly had not been aware of.
These were things experienced in a total way, ie a truly terryifying immersion in futility, and actually being a three year old again in mortal terror of death ... needless to say, it was a difficult process.
SWIM had suffered from depression for many, many years, but has not had an episode since. However, SWIM is by no means a medical practiioner, or a person with any psychiatric training at all; and must clearly and unequivocally make the point that he is in no way advocating any particular approach to dealing with depression.
Spice, as we all know, is idiosyncratic; our experiences may be similar, but each tailored to the unique shape of each psyche it finds as a host consciousness. But SWIM found a willingness to face the root of his depression was good preparation for the experience that followed.
These were things experienced in a total way, ie a truly terryifying immersion in futility, and actually being a three year old again in mortal terror of death ... needless to say, it was a difficult process.
SWIM had suffered from depression for many, many years, but has not had an episode since. However, SWIM is by no means a medical practiioner, or a person with any psychiatric training at all; and must clearly and unequivocally make the point that he is in no way advocating any particular approach to dealing with depression.
Spice, as we all know, is idiosyncratic; our experiences may be similar, but each tailored to the unique shape of each psyche it finds as a host consciousness. But SWIM found a willingness to face the root of his depression was good preparation for the experience that followed.
All of this is great advice worth considering; particularly setting an intent, centering oneself beforehand, and a low dose to boot. Following these three steps always leads to interesting encounters, and afterwards there's an unforgettable tryptamine glow to the inner body and the outer world. We need to study how to develop this as an anti-depression treatment.
I can't add anything else useful, except I urge you to report on your results, I'm very interested.
I can't add anything else useful, except I urge you to report on your results, I'm very interested.
SWIM has told me that the advice you have given is extremely helpful and he / she has taken it all on board.
He / she is a very intelligent person and will not jump into anything without rigorously assessing the pros and cons anyway.
He / she will err on the side of caution in the interest of safety and will certainly report back to me (Bod) to communicate his / her experiences and findings. I will then report back to the forum soon after.
Thanks once again on behalf of SWIM. You have been a great help he / she says. (I've never met or seen this person before)
Bod
He / she is a very intelligent person and will not jump into anything without rigorously assessing the pros and cons anyway.
He / she will err on the side of caution in the interest of safety and will certainly report back to me (Bod) to communicate his / her experiences and findings.
I will then report back to the forum soon after.Thanks once again on behalf of SWIM. You have been a great help he / she says. (I've never met or seen this person before)
Bod
Bod-sorry to hear about your depression.Generally speaking, depression falls into 2 categories labelled endogenous and reactive.The first describes a malady that comes from within and can relate to childhood experiences, a sense of futility or worthlessness etc; the second type is a reaction to external events (such as physical ill-health, relationship worries, financial woes, bereavement or other less than joyful life-events).I think that small-moderate sized dosages can help identify the roots of ones discontentment if your depression is endogenous- sort of like 20 psychotherapy sessions compressed into a few hours.Theses insights can be beneficial but identifying them and conquering them are 2 separate issues.If ones depression is reactive (and we have all had it to lesser or greater degrees) then using psychedelics is less likely to be so rewarding.
'Falling further into the darkness
Searching, hoping for a guiding light
Through the shadow of the Reaper
To emerge, blessed with sight.
Traverse the deserts of sorrow
To enjoy an oasis tomorrow
Till then just hold on tight'.
'Falling further into the darkness
Searching, hoping for a guiding light
Through the shadow of the Reaper
To emerge, blessed with sight.
Traverse the deserts of sorrow
To enjoy an oasis tomorrow
Till then just hold on tight'.
Thanks for the reply Corpus Callosum.
SWIM says his depression is endogenous in origin but there are elements of reactive depression because of failure to deal with the problem after years of trying various therapies without success.
SWIM has attended some Ayahuasca ceremonies but has had dud experiences, probably because of poor preparation (not following "la dieta" to the letter and not taking a large enough dose).
SWIM's read how Kira Salak, a National Geographic journalist was cured of depression by taking Ayahuasca in Peru and has decided to try Changa which may have at least some of the benefits of the Ayahuasca experience and may at least give SWIM some experience of hallucinogens. SWIM would like to point out that safety will be paramount and only a very small "dose" would be taken initially.
SWIM is confused by conflicting opinions on the forum about taking DMT in any shape or form by persons who have depression. He can't understand why anyone "who is sound of mind" would want to take DMT if there was the possibility that they too may have there brain chemistries altered and perhaps sink into depression. Why do people take DMT and hallucinogens?
Bod
PS Recognise your name Corpus Callosum from my studies of hypnosis
SWIM says his depression is endogenous in origin but there are elements of reactive depression because of failure to deal with the problem after years of trying various therapies without success.
SWIM has attended some Ayahuasca ceremonies but has had dud experiences, probably because of poor preparation (not following "la dieta" to the letter and not taking a large enough dose).
SWIM's read how Kira Salak, a National Geographic journalist was cured of depression by taking Ayahuasca in Peru and has decided to try Changa which may have at least some of the benefits of the Ayahuasca experience and may at least give SWIM some experience of hallucinogens. SWIM would like to point out that safety will be paramount and only a very small "dose" would be taken initially.
SWIM is confused by conflicting opinions on the forum about taking DMT in any shape or form by persons who have depression. He can't understand why anyone "who is sound of mind" would want to take DMT if there was the possibility that they too may have there brain chemistries altered and perhaps sink into depression. Why do people take DMT and hallucinogens?
Bod
PS Recognise your name Corpus Callosum from my studies of hypnosis
You do not need a breakthrough on DMT to feel euphoric and a happiness throughout mind, body, and soul, but I would agree with the things stated above that you should consider taking Caapi to start and not spice.
I'm not saying anything of the sort that you shouldn't be doing spice, I'm saying its best to start slow with this.
As to why people take DMT and hallucinogens; we all have our own reasons, you just need to discover your own. Our reasons shouldn't effect your outcome.
I, for one, have a less than fascinating reason and that being that I was merely interested in what spice is. And yes, it has changed my life ever since my first experience with it which was less than profound compared to what I have gone on to witness in my journeys.
We deem ourselves, Psychonauts; explorers willing to go beyond anything earthly or imaginable, is how I would define it.
I'm not saying anything of the sort that you shouldn't be doing spice, I'm saying its best to start slow with this.
As to why people take DMT and hallucinogens; we all have our own reasons, you just need to discover your own. Our reasons shouldn't effect your outcome.
I, for one, have a less than fascinating reason and that being that I was merely interested in what spice is. And yes, it has changed my life ever since my first experience with it which was less than profound compared to what I have gone on to witness in my journeys.
We deem ourselves, Psychonauts; explorers willing to go beyond anything earthly or imaginable, is how I would define it.
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