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SWIM has done his homework and feels confident enough to start his first extraction. He is just waiting on the MHRB to arrive. He is going to use the Lazymans tek for the first time around. He is going to start with a small batch first, 56G of MHRB to begin with. The tek says to just break the bark into pieces no longer than 3", but would he get a better yield and a shorter soak time if he ground the bark up first? The tek calls for 400-500G of MHRB, so I broke down all the measurements. I came up with this: 56G MHRB, 20G NaOH into 250ML tap water, 50-60ML Naphtha. Does this sound about right? I read that the more Naphtha the better, is this true in all situations? This tek seems pretty straightforward but doesnt mention anything about a crystal bath. Will the DMT be in crystal form at the end of the evaporation or more of a powder? One last question, sorry to dump a load of questions all at once, but he wants to be well prepared for the first extraction. Will the evaporating Naphtha stink up the house? He figures indoors is the cleanest way to do things but doesnt want to dank his house out. Thanks in advance! :)
 
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Grouding up the bark will shorten the soak time ( the smaller the pieces the faster they get dissolved ).
For the dosage I can't really tell you but I used 1g lye/gram of bark and 15ml water/gram of bark for 200g of MHRB.
As for evaporating, I believe it will stink up your house. It would be faster and less wasteful to freeze-precipitate the naphta ( that way you get to re use the naphta to do other pulls ).
As for the form the DMT will take,I got powdery stuff from freeze precipitation ( I think evaporating leaves something that looks more like crystals ).
 
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Freeze it. Less stinky, cleaner product and it avoids dmt n-oxide problems, an oily film that won't dry. Put the naphta in the freezer and freeze it hard for 6-12 hours...collect your elf dust afterwards, reuse your solvent.
 
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Psyckoz said:
Grouding up the bark will shorten the soak time ( the smaller the pieces the faster they get dissolved ).
For the dosage I can't really tell you but I used 1g lye/gram of bark and 15ml water/gram of bark for 200g of MHRB.
As for evaporating, I believe it will stink up your house. It would be faster and less wasteful to freeze-precipitate the naphta ( that way you get to re use the naphta to do other pulls ).
As for the form the DMT will take,I got powdery stuff from freeze precipitation ( I think evaporating leaves something that looks more like crystals ).
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Definitely freeze it. And as for Psyckoz response regarding powdery stuff, I would just like to state that crystals can indeed be produced through freeze precip., rather large ones in fact, but perhaps I'll start a new thread about this w/ details...
 
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Your naptha won't freeze, don't worry. Evaporate your pull down to 1/3 of the original amount, put it in the freezer, freeze it really hard, wait a couple of hours, decant the naphta thru a filter, scrub out your wonderland snow.
 
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obliguhl said:
Your naptha won't freeze, don't worry. Evaporate your pull down to 1/3 of the original amount, put it in the freezer, freeze it really hard, wait a couple of hours, decant the naphta thru a filter, scrub out your wonderland snow.
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Yeah that realization hit me after I posted that. Okay, so I evaporate the pull down to 1/3. The water will freeze but the naptha wont, then do I wait for the water to melt again or pour off the naptha while the water is still frozen? Then filter it and im done?
 
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there should be no water in your naptha. the dmt will stick to whatever your freeze precip'ing in.

edit: you want to pour off the naptha as soon as you pull it out of the freezer to keep the dmt from re disolving.
 
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amurph1111 said:
there should be no water in your naptha. the dmt will stick to whatever your freeze precip'ing in.

edit: you want to pour off the naptha as soon as you pull it out of the freezer to keep the dmt from re disolving.
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Got it, thanks. I was confused for a sec. Should the container be covered with foil while its freezing? Also is there a certain type of container I should be using?
 
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amurph is right...you have to seperate the naptha from the basic solution. Make sure there is ONLY naptha in your collecting jar and then freeze that.

It'll help you skip the evaporation and yields a cleaner product if theres any dmt n-oxide present. You can also recrystallize to further purify your product.
 
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no no

you dont put the water together with the naphtha.. you have to first separate the naphtha with a pippette or something into a clean container (glass, whatever), close it, and into the fridge. So there will only be naphtha, and a little bit of crystals will precipitate on the bottom. So then you have to pour out the naphtha quick while still cold, and scrape the crystals out. Try to work in a way with some baking dish under or whatever, so that if anything drops, you wont lose it.

The naphtha that is poured out can be reused for more pulls, as it will probably still have some dmt inside of it so you shouldnt throw it away. After all the pulls are done and you collected whatever there is to collect, the evap the rest of naphtha all the way down to see if there is still anything inside of it (and yes it will stink the house, so be careful

edit: people already said before.. as for the type of container, it needs to be something with not many edges/bumps on the inside as you will need to scrape things out, so it needs to be something where you can reach with a knife or something of the kind and be able to scrape all of the surface
 
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I just wasnt thinking when I said the water thing. I knew how to do everything then when someone mentioned freeze precip. instead of evaporation I got confused. I get it now, good thing I have a key to the empty house next door to me, ill use the freezer in there.
 
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its not critical, just do 200ml pulls... and just in case you are not clear on this the container in which you are going to freeze precip in has to be sealed as to prevent condensation and keep water from getting inside. if using a baking dish or similar use plastic wrap and something long and flat to seal it. and make sure you evap the collected naptha down some before freeze precip.
 
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amurph1111 said:
its not critical, just do 200ml pulls...
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Maybe not critical, but I think it would be nice to know the effective minimum amount of solvent, so as to avoid dealing with fumes as much as possible...

One ml per g seems to be the norm, although I don't know the chemistry behind that.
 
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