Girlfriend advice needed!

[NotTwo]

No, not looking for relationship advice here, just advice on how she can smoalk dmt

She's now had 5 attempts at smoalking but with only minimal effects. The first three times with 15 mg produced nearly no effects. At the weekend she tried 25 mg in two hits and saw colored fractals which she said were "very pretty". So yesterday she tried a 50 mg dose in three hits. Again she only saw fractals and was disappointed that she hadn't gone noticeably further than on the 25 mg dose. I think a fair bit of the 50 mg was left in the pipe as I vaped what was left and almost hit full hyperspace :surprised:

I'm assuming it's her technique more than anything that is lacking. She quite slight and slender and I think her lung capacity is much smaller than mine. I can take a 35 mg (for me breakthrough) dose in one hit and when I breathe out I fill the room with smoke. When she breathes out, very little smoke actually comes out. We're using a wooden VG with a bit of PVC tubing added to cool the smoke (my addition which I've always used). I have a blowtorch style lighter which heats the VG very adequately.

Any suggestions gratefully received. She's very keen to break through and I really admire her courage and her desire to achieve this but I'm at a loss what to suggest now.

 

[jiva]

have you tried it without the tubing?
i use my wooden VG without any tubing. i think because of the tube your GF will have to pull in more air so reducing the volume might help. if she pulls the air in slow the cooling should not be needed. i only feel the hot air on the VG when i do a 4th pull, then it can be too hot.

 

[Felnik]

There's a learning curve with the wooden genie . I had similar experience with a friend recently it took him a while to get the hang of it . Exhaling all air before taking hit is good so it's like breathing in slow and steady .

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

The first question to ask in cases like this is is she on any other medications. SSRIs and antipsychotics will make you largely immune to psychedelics.

Blessings
~ND

 

[endlessness]

Is she on medications?
Does she hold the vapor long in the lungs for long enough? (sometimes exhaling just a bit when you cant hold any longer and inhaling fresh air again on top of the vapor that is still in the lungs can be a good technique)
Is she taking slow long deep hits?
If there is still DMT in the pipe after the hits, did she try insisting on taking more hits?
Is it an option to pre-load on harmalas (or a small mushroom dose) ?

Just a few questions that come to mind..

 

[DmnStr8]

At least she didn't fake it.

Try a bigger pipe maybe?

Just kidding! Try making some enhanced herbs or some changa. This method is almost fool-proof. The VG can take some practice. Maybe not the best advice but load up 100mg and smoalk it until break through. Sounds like she is ready.. Just keep on keeping on. Practice makes perfect.

 

[NotTwo]

Is she on medications?

Just a few vitamin supplements, I think

Does she hold the vapor long in the lungs for long enough? (sometimes exhaling just a bit when you cant hold any longer and inhaling fresh air again on top of the vapor that is still in the lungs can be a good technique)

OK, cool tip! She's holding about 10 seconds.

Is she taking slow long deep hits?

She is but she says she's worried about coughing so maybe she's not taking 100% lungful.

If there is still DMT in the pipe after the hits, did she try insisting on taking more hits?

Well there was DMT left in the pipe after last night's 50 mg dose but not with previous attempts. Can you go up to 5 or 6 hits or do you miss the time slot by doing that?

Is it an option to pre-load on harmalas (or a small mushroom dose) ?

Would harmalas make it come on stronger though? For me it makes the come on slower and the overall experience last longer.

Just a few questions that come to mind..

Thanks! We're going to get there

 

[NotTwo]

Try making some enhanced herbs or some changa. This method is almost fool-proof. The VG can take some practice. Maybe not the best advice but load up 100mg and smoalk it until break through. Sounds like she is ready.. Just keep on keeping on. Practice makes perfect.

Yes, I guess the changa route is definitely one way to go if all other attempts fail. I've got a bit I made up a few months ago but to be honest I've never been the biggest fan as the freebase in a VG option has always given me amazing results. Also one experience I had a while back with a fair bit of harmala included had me stuck in dmt land for near on an hour (about 4 centuries in subjective time :shock: ) so I've always been a bit wary since then

 

[Felnik]

One more important point use mullein leaf in the bowl it mellows out the dmt and makes it less harsh . It's much easier to take a big hit .
Until she gets it don't be tempted to load more in that could be bad in case she gets a good blast.

 

[Chimp Z]

My partner 5 years ago had this same issue.
She was around for many of my experiences which blasted me off but it never worked for her.
I also noticed she would blow the hit right out.
What I found actually got her what she needed was passing it around to multiple people, double packed
and she hit the bottom amount which was herb saturated with oily DMT goo.
She did not believe that something as powerful as that could be whipped up in the kitchen.


Your partner will get the ticket to hyperspace soon.
Maybe the plants have a larger plan for her...
Cheers and love to you

Chimp

 

[NotTwo]

Just an update on this one ...

So last night I loaded the VG with 40 mg. I removed the PVC tubing and we looked through all the various hints above and even had a few practice goes. She took three long tokes on the pipe and sat back with her eyes closed.

But ... after 7 minutes she opened her eyes and said "almost nothing, just some minor fractals". I took a hit off the pipe and there seemed to be very little left in it. She was massively disappointed. She said the previous two nights she'd been pretty scared but this night she just wanted to see hyperspace. We had talked a bit before about how many say it is the most profound experience of their life, how it's life changing, how it can be the start of a much deeper level of understanding ... and none of it happened!

I really admire her courage and determination but it's just not happening for her. Is there any chance she's somehow immune to dmt? She does seem to have a resistance to psychedelics and never tried any when she was younger! Can the brain block out psychedelics if you didn't get "turned on" by them early on? She tried some of my 5-meo a few weeks back, just 7 mg but enough for me to have a definite phosphene glow, but she felt nothing. Also she tried MDMA in a therapeutic setting back in January and needed twice the dose that I needed despite being of very slight build.

Well I guess changa is the next option but it'll have to wait 10 days now.

 

[TGO]

Hey,

I've been in a similar situation. It took almost a year before I was able to give my GF a proper experience so don't feel overwhelmed and never surrender, if that helps...



I have to jump on board with the others saying that changa is a nearly foolproof method of ingestion. This is what led to my GF's first breakthrough. There was little room for error and it paid off.

However, I've read that some people (as rare as it might be) are less sensitive to the effects so it is entirely possible that this could be happening too. I believe it is pretty rare for someone to be completely immune to DMT (sorry I don't have any references for this right now, it is based on reports and threads read here...edit: links below) so it seems unlikely.

I don't really know, but I wish you both well!

DMT immunity? - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

DMT Immunity? - Welcome discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

First time with DMT, no effects? Any help appreciated! - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

There are more but I digress!

 

[NotTwo]

I know I started this a few months ago but just a final update here to report success

I don't know if this was something that had changed in her or whether it was just improved smoking technique. She's certainly been really determined in making this work despite many failures.

I loaded up the pipe with 45mg of spice and we sat together on the bed. She said she was pretty nervous but really wanted this to work. We practised a few times without me lighting the lighter. I suggested trying to go for 3 deep tokes on the pipe. I could tell from the first toke that she had inhaled a huge amount of vapor; the second one was smaller and she simply refused the third one. She started moving her arms and legs and making small noises - I could tell it had had a big effect this time. I waited about 9 minutes then asked her to look at me. As she opened her eyes she suddenly recoiled and was obviously trying to analyze me face. It took her about another 5 minutes before she could speak.

Anyway she had had full breakthrough, in fact she said she didn't even really see fractals going in, it was just all so fast. She'd gone to a place full of incredibly bright light where there were some sort of beings whose "skin" was complex, endlessly changing patterns. In general she couldn't remember very much of what happened. When she looked at me she had seen an "alien" and was pretty shocked. Something really strange happened after too. We have three cats, two of them very wild things that we rescued, not really the cuddly type! While were sitting on the bed still talking all three walked in and sat between us on the bed (something they'd never, ever done before). Then all three started staring at her fixedly and stayed like that for half an hour. It's had a really big effect on her and she's been glowing some sort of aliveness that I've never seen before in her. Well persistence has worked out here :thumb_up:

 

[endlessness]

Thanks for the update

Im glad for your girlfriend and you !

Did she describe any difference she noticed, whether from her vape method, or something else in her life ?

 

[NotTwo]

Did she describe any difference she noticed, whether from her vape method, or something else in her life ?

Hmmmm, difficult to say. I could sort of imagine that she's opening up to a lot of things in life and that somehow she just wanted to let the experience in this time.

But then again, I think there was something different with her smoalking technique this time. I've noticed before that she'd take a really deep inhalation but just didn't seem to breath out much smoke after ... so where's it gone?!

This time her first toke produced a huge cloud of smoke, like she'd got a big chunk of the 45mg in one go.

Anyway this is life changing and I'm so pleased for her.

 

[fathomlessness]

This is why I moved away from the Vapor Genie because I would have to take multiple tokes to vape what I put in. And I would end up undershooting or overshooting some of the time.

I use a quartz banger now and dab it. This means I know for absolute certain that if I put in 20-30mg of crystals then in one full hit I will be getting 20-30mg of crystals. Either that or vaping in a cheap $40 e-cig pen, it allows you to load on 100 hits of DMT and you don't have to reload it or anything for that whole time, vapes the correct amount every time.

That being said, apparently some people have an unusual high tolerance to DMT or psychedelics and there is such a thing known on here as a shutout but that could of happened before she ever tried it as opposed to after. I gave some dmt to a friend once (mildly autistic) and they must have loaded 100mg in the pipe after previous failed attempts and they still didn't feel much apart from entity presence, was not on any medications either.

 

[○]

she simply refused the third one. She started moving her arms and legs and making small noises - I could tell it had had a big effect this time. I waited about 9 minutes then asked her to look at me. As she opened her eyes she suddenly recoiled and was obviously trying to analyze me face. It took her about another 5 minutes before she could speak.

This.

This is all that's needed to know that she had a good'n. :twisted:

Congrats to her [and you].

Smoking DMT/changa with your significant other is something so special, especially if you both do it consistently with one another.

Probably my favorite person to go deep with tbh.

The deep ones can bring you incredibly close over time i've found. Forges a unique and beautiful bond ime, despite whatever may happen down the road [breakup, moving, w/e].

Good stuff. :d

 

[Global]

I'm glad that it finally ended up working. I wanted to add that in addition to cooling the vapor, that PVC pipe is also collecting some DMT that has now cooled and condensed onto it instead of making it to your lungs. You can always dissolve it in some alcohol or acetone for use with enhanced leaf or changa.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I'm glad that it finally ended up working. I wanted to add that in addition to cooling the vapor, that PVC pipe is also collecting some DMT that has now cooled and condensed onto it instead of making it to your lungs. You can always dissolve it in some alcohol or acetone for use with enhanced leaf or changa.

I would rather wash it out with vinegar and then re-base and pull again (perhaps just add to a subsequent extraction). Acetone or alcohol can strip plasticizers from that flexible tubing, not such a good move.

 

[Gonzukes]

Does she smoke weed? Easy to practice smoking techniques on, because that could very well be the problem.

I'm too lazy to read all the comments, but a good thing to do is breath all the air out of your lungs, then inhales a full breath of smoke, hold it in, exhale.