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Hi , i just want to know how much gramine is dangerous?
MindControl said:Hi , i just want to know how much gramine is dangerous?
The LD50 of gramine is 44.6 mg/ kg iv in mice and 62.9 mg/ kg iv in rats
Did you read this thread: Gramine?MindControl said:Hi , i just want to know how much gramine is dangerous?
I thought that was a myth?oversoul1919 said:it's only because it is poisonous to sheep that it is assumed it is harmful to humans too.
Uuum it's interesting :? ... Do you have any resource for your words?Auxin said:I thought that was a myth?oversoul1919 said:it's only because it is poisonous to sheep that it is assumed it is harmful to humans too.
When sheep got hit by sheep staggers people made all kinds of guesses about the cause, several of which started to be stated as fact (like gramine) then it was tested.
Researchers bred Phalaris grass into three lines, one making just DMT, one making just ß-carbolies, and one making just gramine. They fed each grass to a different group of sheep to see which group got sick and... none of them did. Its not the alkaloids.
And yes in college I tried to locate those three varieties, but sadly failed, lol
The toxic syndrome is called "phalaris staggers." It is manifested by apparent dizziness, staggering, and tremors, sometimes resulting in death. The syndrome affects sheep that have eaten high alkaloid phalaris. On autopsy, after naturally and experimentally induced phalaris staggers in sheep, portions of the lower brain are seen to be damaged and, oddly enough, tinted blue. -erowid
Erowid Phalaris Vault : FAQ 2.01
It is very interesting that our hit compounds (arctiin, (-)-arctigenin and matairesinol) are extracted from the same plant and show selective agonistic activity to AdipoR1. These compounds have been reported to have antioxidant and anti-proliferation properties [29], [30]. Deoxyschizandrin, Syringin, taxifoliol, parthenolide and gramine have been shown to have a wide range of biological activates including anti-viral, anti-inflammatory and anti-cancer properties [31]–[38]. These natural products have been long used in traditional Chinese medicine. However, the mechanisms of these drug actions are still largely unknown. In addition to demonstrating the utility of these screening methods with existing compounds, our data are novel in that they provide evidence that the effects of these compounds are due to the fact they are adiponectin receptor agonists. Additional novel findings include decreased p-PPARα in MCF-7 cells treated with gramine, previously posited to be a cytotoxic agent [37].
In recent years, the exploration and development of the effective methods of treatment and prevention to algal blooms, especially Microcystis aeruginosa blooms has been an important issue in the field of water environment protection. Allelochemicals (natural plant toxins) are considered promising sources of algicides to control algal blooms. The objective of this study is to determine the inhibitory effects and potential mechanisms of a well-known allelochemical gramine (N,N-dimethyl-3-amino-methylindole) on bloom-forming cyanobacterium M. aeruginosa. The results showed that this indole alkaloid effectively inhibited the growth of M. aeruginosa. The effective concentration causing a 50% inhibition at 3 d (EC(50, 3 d)) increased with the initial algal density (IAD) increasing. When IAD increased from 5x10(4) to 5x10(5)cellsmL(-1), the values of EC(50, 3 d) increased from 0.5 to 2.1mgL(-1). In the cells of M. aeruginosa, gramine caused an obvious increase in the level of reactive oxygen species (ROS). The lipid-peroxidation product malondialdehyde (MDA) increased significantly in gramine-treated cells. The effects of gramine on enzymatic and non-enzymatic antioxidants were in different manners. The activity of superoxide dismutase (SOD) was decreased after gramine exposure. The catalase (CAT) activity was increased after 4h but decreased from 60h. Both the contents and the regeneration rates of ascorbic acid (AsA) and reduced glutathione (GSH) were increased after 4h of exposure to gramine. However, only GSH content was still increased after 40h of exposure. These results suggested that the activation of antioxidants in M. aeruginosa played an important role to resist the stress from gramine at initial time, the inactivation of SOD is crucial to the growth inhibition of M. aeruginosa by gramine, and the phytotoxicity of gramine on M. aeruginosa may be due to oxidative damage via oxidation of ROS.
But apparently much less so for chicken and pigs. I found a study that claims:entheogenic-gnosis said:Gramine is horrible for medow voles...
The estimated NOAEL (no-observed-adverse-effect level) of gramine was about 0.3 g/kg diet for rats, 0.65 g for chicken and at least 0.5 g for growing pigs.