ThePurpleWiggle
Rising Star
Hi all 
I have never been an active member here or of the shroomery, occasional long time lurker. These threads referenced and community members and posts are all of the shroomery.
I not long ago I found an old post of an older tek that had been long forgotten and thought to be bunk due to a reportedly terrible translation.
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The Brack and Kobel method of psilocybin production.
The claim is that mycelium in some mushrooms is active, and it's speed of growth makes it a viable option for rapid actives production (maybe not pan cyans, as one member showed a law enforcement study of pan cyans that tested no psilocybin prior to pinning [Here; fanaticus.com], though consuming pre-fruited mycelium of Cubes anecdotally produces effect in some cases and in others not so, perhaps due to catabolic processes [as with LC myc], I have read a successful report on this very tek with azurescens myc [Here; Easiest cultivation method ever! - Mushroom Cultivation - Shroomery Message Board]) The mistranslation is generally interpreted as myc grown in LC.
However, LC myc catabolises it's actives very quickly at (according to Brack and Kobel) exactly the one week mark and requires close and difficult (expensive apparatus for testing variables in the water) monitering to be harvested in the small optimal window. The other common mis-interpretation is to grow on hard agar. This results in myc that is unable to penetrate the surface, thereby providing too thin a layer of myc, low yields.
The solution posed is that agar mixed to 1/10th the dilution of hard agar allows for mycelial penetration. and one ought to harvest once the myc has carpeted the surface.
Reportedly effectively done by Brack and Kobel whilst working for sandoz in the 50s, also effectively used to grow sclerotia and fruit from this substrate. The sclerotia is extremely clean and easily harvested, and the agar is rightly priced if using it at 1/10th regular dilution.
The corrected translation of the tek recieved very little interest, admittedly the title and body of text is offputtingly dense in the old post.
I am curious to see if this is a viable tek for producing actives at 6x the speed and in a fraction of the space. (So much more in the fruit, I realise, still I see potential benefit here, grow bulk in trays and extract to another medium if eating heaps of myc is unappealing, the tek also mentions an extraction tek (I know fast degradation, make some agar jellies with it or mix it with some other protective medium, add flavours too )
I tried to revive the old thread to little avail. Then I tried making a post in the cultivation thread, mixed responses. A lot of ill will toward the concept. A good point was made by footpath; "Just about everyone knocks what they don't try and don't even take time to read anything legitimate about. They mainly just proliferate speculative rumors from the populous. Ultimately, I am 99% certain that 99% of the people here Do Not have the means to produce anything beyond anecdotal evidence. And that, most of the time, they don't even bother to create that."
Now, please, forgive my arrogance for making three posts on the same topic and necroing an 11 year old thread about an abandoned tek from the 50s. I am curious, and see potential benefit to the community at large, perhaps the advanced crowd will be more likely to share in my curiosity.
I am a noob. I know nothing. I am in process of growing my first PF jars. I have no experience with agar. I am a student on government assistance who has just been kicked out of home and am shortly to live in a tent in the backyard of my law abiding Aunt. My pf jars have had to be moved to another location 3 hours from my Aunts. There will be renovations there in a months time for a month and a half. My jars will have to be spawned to completely autonomous bulk monotubs on my first grow.
I am an avid reader and have a lot of curiosity, that is just about all that is going for me as a cultivator.
If anyone feels any curiosity toward such a beautiful tek, a week, a little agar and some curiosity is the minimum requirements for some results. I believe that others may have favourable conditions, supplies and skills for such experimentation earlier than I will be able to.
Have a go if you will and tell us all how you go
Here are my other threads in the cultivation sections of the shroomery and again, the old post I refer to as well as any relevant threads I could find;
Look at this, promising anecdotal reports regarding growing strong, active azurescens mycelial mats on agar. Easier than sclerotia even and better substrate for sclerotia too.
www.shroomery.org
Spent cake tea, effective -
www.shroomery.org
Eating cakes and mushroom stem bases on surface of cakes -
www.shroomery.org
Mycelium extraction teks -
www.shroomery.org
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General cultivation shroomery thread -
www.shroomery.org
Advanced cultivation thread -
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Law enforcement study on what stage of Pan cyan myc contains actives, with pan cyans they found that it isn't until pinning, note, I've heard reports of other species that contain notable actives prior to pinning and this is the only source I found to say this about pan cyan, we trust cops right haha-
The old post on the supposedly correctly translated Brack and Kobel method -
www.shroomery.org
I have never been an active member here or of the shroomery, occasional long time lurker. These threads referenced and community members and posts are all of the shroomery.
I not long ago I found an old post of an older tek that had been long forgotten and thought to be bunk due to a reportedly terrible translation.
Brack&Kobel, the Psilocybin Producers Guide and Jochen Gartz - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
OK, I spent Sunday night browsing through the shroomery archives. and I found this remark: "Hm. How come nothing ever comes of this talk, even though it happens every few years? Just like the tryptamine
www.shroomery.org
The Brack and Kobel method of psilocybin production.
The claim is that mycelium in some mushrooms is active, and it's speed of growth makes it a viable option for rapid actives production (maybe not pan cyans, as one member showed a law enforcement study of pan cyans that tested no psilocybin prior to pinning [Here; fanaticus.com], though consuming pre-fruited mycelium of Cubes anecdotally produces effect in some cases and in others not so, perhaps due to catabolic processes [as with LC myc], I have read a successful report on this very tek with azurescens myc [Here; Easiest cultivation method ever! - Mushroom Cultivation - Shroomery Message Board]) The mistranslation is generally interpreted as myc grown in LC.
However, LC myc catabolises it's actives very quickly at (according to Brack and Kobel) exactly the one week mark and requires close and difficult (expensive apparatus for testing variables in the water) monitering to be harvested in the small optimal window. The other common mis-interpretation is to grow on hard agar. This results in myc that is unable to penetrate the surface, thereby providing too thin a layer of myc, low yields.
The solution posed is that agar mixed to 1/10th the dilution of hard agar allows for mycelial penetration. and one ought to harvest once the myc has carpeted the surface.
Reportedly effectively done by Brack and Kobel whilst working for sandoz in the 50s, also effectively used to grow sclerotia and fruit from this substrate. The sclerotia is extremely clean and easily harvested, and the agar is rightly priced if using it at 1/10th regular dilution.
The corrected translation of the tek recieved very little interest, admittedly the title and body of text is offputtingly dense in the old post.
I am curious to see if this is a viable tek for producing actives at 6x the speed and in a fraction of the space. (So much more in the fruit, I realise, still I see potential benefit here, grow bulk in trays and extract to another medium if eating heaps of myc is unappealing, the tek also mentions an extraction tek (I know fast degradation, make some agar jellies with it or mix it with some other protective medium, add flavours too
)I tried to revive the old thread to little avail. Then I tried making a post in the cultivation thread, mixed responses. A lot of ill will toward the concept. A good point was made by footpath; "Just about everyone knocks what they don't try and don't even take time to read anything legitimate about. They mainly just proliferate speculative rumors from the populous. Ultimately, I am 99% certain that 99% of the people here Do Not have the means to produce anything beyond anecdotal evidence. And that, most of the time, they don't even bother to create that."
Now, please, forgive my arrogance for making three posts on the same topic and necroing an 11 year old thread about an abandoned tek from the 50s. I am curious, and see potential benefit to the community at large, perhaps the advanced crowd will be more likely to share in my curiosity.
I am a noob. I know nothing. I am in process of growing my first PF jars. I have no experience with agar. I am a student on government assistance who has just been kicked out of home and am shortly to live in a tent in the backyard of my law abiding Aunt. My pf jars have had to be moved to another location 3 hours from my Aunts. There will be renovations there in a months time for a month and a half. My jars will have to be spawned to completely autonomous bulk monotubs on my first grow.
I am an avid reader and have a lot of curiosity, that is just about all that is going for me as a cultivator.
If anyone feels any curiosity toward such a beautiful tek, a week, a little agar and some curiosity is the minimum requirements for some results. I believe that others may have favourable conditions, supplies and skills for such experimentation earlier than I will be able to.
Have a go if you will and tell us all how you go
Here are my other threads in the cultivation sections of the shroomery and again, the old post I refer to as well as any relevant threads I could find;
Look at this, promising anecdotal reports regarding growing strong, active azurescens mycelial mats on agar. Easier than sclerotia even and better substrate for sclerotia too.
Easiest cultivation method ever! - Mushroom Cultivation - Shroomery Message Board
OK I know there are numerous claims for methods which promise a super easy method to produce a psychedelic dose. But this is even more simple (and faster) than growing sclerotia on grass seed. I
www.shroomery.org
Spent cake tea, effective -
Spent cake tea - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
So after doing loads of reasearch last night I found the community was split on Spent Cake tea. Some say "waist of time dont do it" Some said "it would make you really sick". And I was
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Eating cakes and mushroom stem bases on surface of cakes -
Shroom Cake Tea and Mushrooms - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
What would it be like if you ate 2.5 grams of average potency shrooms and also made some mushroom cake tea with 4 cakes? I have seen people talk about whether or not they think you can even feel
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Mycelium extraction teks -
Mass mycelium extraction tek - Mushroom Cultivation - Shroomery Message Board
Flatalbert's dorm room mass mycelium extraction tek overview- So you want psilocybin without hassle? Don't want mushrooms laying around while growing or drying that may be seen by others? Are
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Mycelium Extraction - Methanol vs. Cranberry Juice/Asorbic Acid - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
Swims not sure if this goes here, thought it would fall under "mushroom science". He plans to extract one of his 12 jars before fruiting. Really looking at two different extractions, posted below
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General cultivation shroomery thread -
How to cultivate 5000 doses worth of psilocybin in a small room every week Tek - Mushroom Cultivation - Shroomery Message Board
So I found an old thread that refuses to be revived that details a method of growing huge quanties of mycelium on soft agar and extracting the actives. It had been lost in translation and beatifully
www.shroomery.org
Advanced cultivation thread -
Growing mycelium and sclerotia on soft agar; Grow 5000 doses of actives per week in a small room? - Advanced Mycology - Shroomery Message Board
Hi all I have never been an active member here or of the DMT nexus, occasional long time lurker. These threads referenced can be found at the bottom of the post. I not long ago I found an old post
www.shroomery.org
Law enforcement study on what stage of Pan cyan myc contains actives, with pan cyans they found that it isn't until pinning, note, I've heard reports of other species that contain notable actives prior to pinning and this is the only source I found to say this about pan cyan, we trust cops right haha-
The old post on the supposedly correctly translated Brack and Kobel method -
Brack&Kobel, the Psilocybin Producers Guide and Jochen Gartz - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board
OK, I spent Sunday night browsing through the shroomery archives. and I found this remark: "Hm. How come nothing ever comes of this talk, even though it happens every few years? Just like the tryptamine
www.shroomery.org
