murklan
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Wow, what a landscape! I've been traveling in the middle east but that was before I had any experiences with rue. If I would go there today I would surely bring a bag to collect seeds in.
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Hello & a little account of my harmala journey so far
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Yuxibu
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Yes, as soon s you mentioned this aspect of rue absorbing the qualities of the land they grow in, this specific batch came to mind.
This is what picked my already existing interest in rue, as it always fascinated me on one hand, but on the other hand the results I got from experimenting with in the past where very varied to say the least. That's why I always preferred caapi, no matter how wild it can get, I know what to expect.
There was one batch I had that carried with it a really strong energy of pain and suffering that would always steep out in ceremony no matter what I did, and that's when I more or less gave up on it, except for this Brasilian batch.
But good quality caapi is getting harder to find nowadays and it is not sustainable in many ways.
Hence the appeal of planting it here, not only do I get access to a cheap and sustainable source of harmalas, it is also a way to connect deeper to the spirituality of certain places I feel connected to.
I live in Portugal, by the coast. It is pretty humid and rainy in the winter, but there's plenty of sunlight in the summer.
Anyway, I'd like to thank you, Iff and everyone participating in this thread, it really inspired me to connect with this plant once again.
I will start a 3 week plant dieta with it in December, after having tried all 3 batches I have, and I'm very much looking forward to it!
Moroccan seeds are good. I'm working with them right now, and that's one of the cleanest batches I've experienced. Iranian seeds would be a good choice, but they are out of the picture in Europe. Rue should grow in some areas of Portugal.
Good to know. Have you any experience with harmala seeds from India? I've got some at home right now but have not ingested them yet. The Iranian seeds were very good in my experience. I hope they return to the market.
I have no experience with Indian seeds. I've read that they are a bit weaker. What I distrust is the Indian approach to things. They are known to take any opportunity to make money. I like my rue from cultures that hold it as sacred and respect it. That way the harvest is clean, and I have seeds without any energetic pollution.
Report back how it goes. Maybe you've got a very clean batch. Harvesting yourself is the best, though. Sadly, I live far away from rue lands.
Just a final reminder that seeds cannot be generalized to their countries. There is tremendous variation within countries, according to my experience within my country, and what came up in my research on seeds from Iran. Studies show different content, different potencies, different harmine:harmaline ratios, and different secondary beta carboline amounts like harman.
In the end what matters is to find the batch that satisfies you and hope that your vendor keeps providing the same seeds...
For those who pick themselves, it's a much richer and predictable, grounded matter.
Morocco and Iran present themselves as countries that cherish rue so it may be a good idea to check batches from them. It is possible to find magnificent seeds in Turkey, like I said I cannot imagine anything that can beat what I found. I am not sure what gets exported though, if anything at all.
In the end what matters is to find the batch that satisfies you and hope that your vendor keeps providing the same seeds...
For those who pick themselves, it's a much richer and predictable, grounded matter.
Morocco and Iran present themselves as countries that cherish rue so it may be a good idea to check batches from them. It is possible to find magnificent seeds in Turkey, like I said I cannot imagine anything that can beat what I found. I am not sure what gets exported though, if anything at all.
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Sadly there are some plastic particles mixed with the seeds. It's not a lot really and it can easily be removed, but it's there and such a thing has never been observed from the Iranian seeds. The seeds have a lovely rich aroma though, therefore I don't want to judge the quality of the seeds yet. It's possible that the Indian seeds come from Kashmir where they might respect them better. Will report for sure. I might make myself a tea today afternoon.
Sadly there are some plastic particles mixed with the seeds. It's not a lot really and it can easily be removed, but it's there and such a thing has never been observed from the Iranian seeds. The seeds have a lovely rich aroma though, therefore I don't want to judge the quality of the seeds yet. It's possible that the Indian seeds come from Kashmir where they might respect them better. Will report for sure. I might make myself a tea today afternoon.
TransistorBass
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The seeds I just bought are from Morocco. I might start experimenting on Friday after work, Hope I don't find grit or plastic in them.
Does anyone think it's possible to do a low dose each day to slowly build up a level ready for a vapeayhasca session on the DMT pipe?
Does anyone think it's possible to do a low dose each day to slowly build up a level ready for a vapeayhasca session on the DMT pipe?
Sometimes they come mixed with incense so be careful about that. It's usually obvious with colorful pieces and distinct smell. The plastic may be from a degrading bag they were in.
Mine (from iran) come with tiny pieces of stone so one should be careful about chewing commercial seeds.
In my experience it is indeed possible. One time I've been taking harmala extract for 6 days every day and on the 7th day I did not take any harmala, I only vaped some DMT and the experience was changa like indeed.
I always pick through my seeds on a dose-by-dose basis. Getting accustomed to taking smaller doses makes this a simpler task. Some batches have more unwanted material than others, though. On occasion this will include one or more of: grit, leafy bits, foreign seeds, specks of dried mud, and even what looks like bits of mouse dropping. Always look closely before putting any of it anywhere near your mouth! Pre-treat with strong alcohol if you have any doubts…
Fortunately, I'm yet to have found any plastic contamination.
I only had plastic once, and it was in a batch of Brazilian caapi.
Most likely it was from a deteriorating plastic sack like this:
I'm quite certain of the same.
TransistorBass
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Good to Know, Thanks
Can't say anything 100% for others. You have to experiment.
I'm expecting Rue seeds and i've never done any any yet ...
Can i expect wise "advices" from taking it ?
I'm really pissed off at lies that i've been told to do by "BPh" for years and my wife died a year ago probably due to the same kind of lies ... i guess i can't get into details here but i'm really pissed off and even though i did plenty of crazy shits no one advised me to do in the past , i'm really into finding a way to find something that shows me a way to do the right thing !
Thanks to the whole team for being here , friendly and helpful ...
Can i expect wise "advices" from taking it ?
I'm really pissed off at lies that i've been told to do by "BPh" for years and my wife died a year ago probably due to the same kind of lies ... i guess i can't get into details here but i'm really pissed off and even though i did plenty of crazy shits no one advised me to do in the past , i'm really into finding a way to find something that shows me a way to do the right thing !
Thanks to the whole team for being here , friendly and helpful ...
It generally puts you in a state/mood where you see situations differently. Feeling well-being and ease could clear a lot of resistance on your way to wisdom.
Wisdom is the nature of the mind, though we seldom touch it because of constant distractions by all the stories our ego produces. In that sense, Silence is the ultimate advice and wisdom.
Some people hear a voice from the medicine. Some get guidance in the form of visions. However, the biggest work happens behind the scenes, and with time you find yourself and your life changed. How medicine works for you is very personal. My advice would be not to expect anything at all. Be open and see how it is.
Bph is sadly all about money. That is the problem of capitalism in general. Yes, we don't have a better system, but this one is broken, too. It is up to us to think for ourselves and take care of our health. That was always the case, but now it is all in your face to notice. All the info is here, so just go for it. There is no better time than now to transform. That is the theme of this age. We live in an epoch of collapse and change. Only those who can adapt will survive.
You get back what you put in; that is the law of the place. So, thank youThanks to the whole team for being here , friendly and helpful ...
End of preaching
I'm in the beginning phase of studying the foremost new strain. Just wanted to share that the visual style / visionary world of rue is highly variable due to strain. In patterns, my old strain was dominantly triangles and pyramids, built with sharp angles. The new strain is more rounded and curvy, swirling "galaxies," and squares and parallel lines. My impression is that visual patterns are just visualizations of the energy. And yes, this strain is more firm and grounded.
I have yet to see a vision of an eagle, like with my previous strain. The visionary (coherent whole scenes) world it opens to is also very different. My impression is that the visionary worlds of plants are the visualized spiritual world they open you to.
Visually, rue is the most consistent plant that I know of. İt has its set of patterns and archetypal images which it gives very reliably and consistently.
I have yet to see a vision of an eagle, like with my previous strain. The visionary (coherent whole scenes) world it opens to is also very different. My impression is that the visionary worlds of plants are the visualized spiritual world they open you to.
Visually, rue is the most consistent plant that I know of. İt has its set of patterns and archetypal images which it gives very reliably and consistently.
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That's really interesting. The brew I had last night consistently produced images of people for several hours. I'll be paying special attention to this going forwards, since the seeds have aged somewhat since the time when they were producing very convincing whole scenarios. However, there was still an element of 'teleportation' going on at times, to the extent of the name "telepathine" making complete sense.
There is indeed a noticeable difference in quality between the batches I've tried, so it looks as though it could be fruitful for me in being more systematic about recording their various nuances.