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Harmala administration via e-cig? FAQ

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n0thing

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All I can seem to find on this subject is this thread and want to ask a few questions to clear up some things that are missing in it.

1. Vaporization What temp do normal vapes operate at? (what temp is the coil at?) Some people are suggesting anywhere from 40-400c. The temps needed for Harmala to vaporize are a bit of a grey area[1][2] as officially it requires well over 300c to vaporize but people are posting reports of feeling it vaporizing it in a vapor genie.
If this is true then vaporizing harmalas via e-cig might be entirely possible at 200c?


2. Solubility If harmala didn't dissolve completely but was just suspended in solution, would it still vaporize or would it get stuck the cotton?

3. Dosage What is the minimum harmala do you need per vape hit to activate monamine oxidase inhibition?
I remember reading on here that its about 3mg of harmala per hit in the vapor genie.
I also remember however a 4ml tank can roughly provide around 100-200 long deep hits of anything.

*so 4ml/200hits= 0.02ml of solution vaped per hit

*if you put 40mg of harmala in 4ml you would get 0.2mg of harmala vaped per hit, but you need 3mg per hit. Therefor you would need to times that by 15 to get 3mg per hit

*40mg harmala x 15=600mg harmala per 4ml of pg/vg liquid. However this is an issue because of the solubility issues mentioned in the thread linked.

I have just done my own testing on 4ml of straight PG. 100mg of fb harmala does seem to dissolve upon microwaving it for a few seconds by the change of color, but i think what is rather the case is just a dispersion of still intact particulate harmala crystals because i can still see a lot of very tiny bits floating around (sparkly liquid). I assume these might be able to seep through the cotton to land on the coils and be partially vaped at 200c
 
Hi,
I tried to put the Harmala freebase in the vaporizer, but after vaped it. There's a lot of dust(little particle) in the smoke, which makes me cough while inhaling.

So I just dissolved some full spectrum Harmala freebase in PEG-400, and vaped it at 220°c, works fine, no more dust problem.

For your question,
1. It should be around 200-250°c depending on your mod, you might get a mod with temp control.
2. PEG-400 is a good deal with Harmala freebase and also DMT freebase as reported.
3. As I know, for MAOi, you should take Harmine&Harmaline HCl orally, then DMT salts. For vaping DMT freebase, you don't need MAOi.

Considering e-changa, we may dissolve both DMT and Harmala in PEG-400 then vape it. The Harmala Freebase has higher BP, so DMT is vaped before Harmala freebase. Just run out of DMT freebase, leave it tested afterward.

The vaporizer I used is Yocan Cerum with Ceramic Donut coil. I have two mods, Joyetech Cuboid 200 with temp control. Another is Yocan Evolve Plus.
 
httpwww860860 said:
The Harmala Freebase has higher BP, so DMT is vaped before Harmala freebase. Just run out of DMT freebase, leave it tested afterward.

Do you mean that DMT is vaporized faster than harmalas due to its lower boiling temperature? meaning that out of a 4ml tank you would eventually vape all of the the DMT before the harmala?

I can't see how this could be the case for DMT is dissolved in the PG and distributed equally. I also don't understand how you will vape all your harmalas if 220c is below harmala boiling point. Are you sure its working effectively?
 
n0thing said:
httpwww860860 said:
The Harmala Freebase has higher BP, so DMT is vaped before Harmala freebase. Just run out of DMT freebase, leave it tested afterward.

Do you mean that DMT is vaporized faster than harmalas due to its lower boiling temperature? meaning that out of a 4ml tank you would eventually vape all of the the DMT before the harmala?

I can't see how this could be the case for DMT is dissolved in the PG and distributed equally. I also don't understand how you will vape all your harmalas if 220c is below harmala boiling point. Are you sure its working effectively?
Not sure what will happen actually. As the mod raise temp above 220c really quick, it should be like both freebase vaped almost the same time?

220c is the temp setting in the mod, I don't know the actual temp.
I know Harmine has Melting point at 262-264°C and Boiling point at 421.4°C as stated in [1].
But I have vaped Harmala Freebase with the Machine before, so I recognize the smell.

[1] Psychedelic Compounds Chemical and Physical Properties - DMT-Nexus Wiki
 
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