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has anyone experienced a person who spice doesnt work on?

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SWIM seems to be immune to oral dmt.
He has tried ayahuasca, rootbark and rue, and pharmahuasca several times (like double figures) and doesnt seem to get to the same place as others.
The most he gets is mosiac phosphenes, but certainly nothing life changing.
Iv written about this beofre on here, and he knows its not the brews, as other people who have taken the brews at the same time have reported:
seeing jeweled cities
meetings and communications with entities
being shown some kind of craft and how to operate it with his mind
flying through the univeres on the back of a rainbow serpent
etc etc.

This is why swim keeps trying as he hopes to experience something similar one day, but thus for he has had diddly squat, and its quite frustrating.
 
I dont think there is anybody immune to dmt

If it didnt hit you while smoking, most likely your smoking technique is off.. No direct flame (ash sandwhich), at least 3 full puffs, holding each puff at least 20 seconds..

As for oral dmt, soulman, I also dont think you must be immune.. Sure it happens many times that in the same session someone gets a strong trip and others not, but there are many factors to explain. Some people have naturally more MAOs, therefore may need a higher ratio of MAOIs.. Other people may need more dmt (like acolon, for example in comparison to other people in this forum).. Body weight and metabolism speed make also difference. Set and setting also. But in any case, taking care with all the variables, it should work. I've never ever heard of anybody immune to dmt, and I really dont think there is.

what where your dosages with pharmahuasca? What about of rootbark/rue ?
 
I can imagine that some people could have inherited a genetic mix with a better defence system against interference from certain chemicals. You could console yourself with your 'genetic superiority'! ;) That's speculation of course.
 
endlessness said:
what where your dosages with pharmahuasca? What about of rootbark/rue ?
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Had 140mg THH and drunk 3drops of harmaline tincture in some water.
After 20mins i dissolved 80mg of spice in oj and downed it. 20mins later wasnt really feeling anything, so I dosed with another 80mg in oj. After another 20mins i was felling a liitle heavier and notice very slight visuals, but nothing great, soooo i decided to dose once more with 140mg.
I thought ths would do the job, but it just brought on some more light visuals.
Needless to say it was a very mild trip and instead of wasting the experiecne i decided to smoke a little too. Loaded 40mg into the vaporgenie. 2 hits later, and i didnt know what was happenin.

The root bark and rue i dont know the doses as they are at ceremonies, needless to say, the brew tends to have the desired effects on other participants.

I also had tried to do a home brew once. Used caapi and rootbark. I think i had 50g of caapi and like 100g of root bark (not all at once) and i did purge, so had to top up. Again, only a light body load but nothing at all really. The caapi was working though coz instaed of wasting caapi tea i decided to smoke some changa, and this was really lovely. Like really really lovely.

I am begining to think its something in my biochemisrty, but tryna figure out exactly what is tricky!!!
 
soulman said:
endlessness said:
what where your dosages with pharmahuasca? What about of rootbark/rue ?
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Had 140mg THH and drunk 3drops of harmaline tincture in some water.
After 20mins i dissolved 80mg of spice in oj and downed it. 20mins later wasnt really feeling anything, so I dosed with another 80mg in oj. After another 20mins i was felling a liitle heavier and notice very slight visuals, but nothing great, soooo i decided to dose once more with 140mg.
I thought ths would do the job, but it just brought on some more light visuals.
Needless to say it was a very mild trip and instead of wasting the experiecne i decided to smoke a little too. Loaded 40mg into the vaporgenie. 2 hits later, and i didnt know what was happenin.

The root bark and rue i dont know the doses as they are at ceremonies, needless to say, the brew tends to have the desired effects on other participants.

I also had tried to do a home brew once. Used caapi and rootbark. I think i had 50g of caapi and like 100g of root bark (not all at once) and i did purge, so had to top up. Again, only a light body load but nothing at all really. The caapi was working though coz instaed of wasting caapi tea i decided to smoke some changa, and this was really lovely. Like really really lovely.

I am begining to think its something in my biochemisrty, but tryna figure out exactly what is tricky!!!
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Nah man dont worry, those were very few experiences to show you it doesnt work... For example:

From where is this harmaline tincture? How many mgs of harmaline is 3 drops? extract rue yourself, then you know exactly how much you're taking.. Go for 300mg.. Also this thing of taking little dmt and then taking after again some more and so on.. This sound also possibly problematic. Take a bigger dose at once, not spread over time. Wait 30 mins between harmalas and spice.

I have had ceremonies where loads of people said it was the strongest experience for them so far and for me was weak, even taking 3 doses, but other times in the first small glass I was fully immersed in ayahuasca dimension. One just never knows concentration of the brew, some people have more body MAO so low-on-MAOI brews can work for some and not for others. Or many other explanations.

But of course, if you feel that its just not for you, then dont try it anymore.. I just really dont think its because you are immune to it or something, and that it can work if you really make it propper :D
 
endlessness said:
Nah man dont worry, those were very few experiences to show you it doesnt work... For example:

From where is this harmaline tincture? How many mgs of harmaline is 3 drops? extract rue yourself, then you know exactly how much you're taking.. Go for 300mg.. Also this thing of taking little dmt and then taking after again some more and so on.. This sound also possibly problematic. Take a bigger dose at once, not spread over time. Wait 30 mins between harmalas and spice.

I have had ceremonies where loads of people said it was the strongest experience for them so far and for me was weak, even taking 3 doses, but other times in the first small glass I was fully immersed in ayahuasca dimension. One just never knows concentration of the brew, some people have more body MAO so low-on-MAOI brews can work for some and not for others. Or many other explanations.

But of course, if you feel that its just not for you, then dont try it anymore.. I just really dont think its because you are immune to it or something, and that it can work if you really make it propper :D
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Well like i say i have drunk over 10 times and i would have thought that that was enough to at least have ONE decent experience. But thats the thing, i dont really wanna give up trying, i am very curious to see what she has to offer, espescially after reading so many wonderful reports.

When you say go for 300mg, do you mean MAOI?
This is the one i used in conjunction with the THH on the failed pharma attempt

On my solo attempt with caapi, i even tried eating a little something after to get it all digesting and what not....but to no avail.

Im running out of ideas as to what can be done to improve the likelihood of a meaningful journey.
 
Ascertain whether it is the MAOI or the DMT you are insensitive to, perhaps both. Keep upping MAOI dosage till you really feel the punch of the MAOI. I'd say ingest a small amount of DMT each time. With harmala alkaloids you will know when your MAO is fully inhibited when you see silvery shimmery tracers that are not like normal tracers; I'm talking about harmaline and harmine not tetrohydroharmine of which I have no experience with. Then finally hit the DMT.
 
^^ OK, cool. I shall give that a go.
At a guess i would say its the MOAI im insensitive to. I dont seem to need large doses of smoked spice to feel its full force so...
I have once had that shimmery tracers thing with rue. So that indicates sufficient inhibiting action does it?
I shall aim for that then before any spice is had and see if this down. I am quite skinny and have a high metabolism so it could be that my MAO enzymes are super efficient or something. I guess we shall see. Thanks for the advice.
 
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