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swimwithlove

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SWIM has not seen any demons, devil-like entities, or negatively-charged entities as of yet.

But SWIM has read a trip report of someone seeing a vivid depiction of Jesus bleeding on the cross during a breakthrough trip, albeit being an atheist. SWIM has read another trip report of someone seeing a bipedal ant the size of a man who said he was the devil, and the ant shot laser beams at him. He also shot laser beams back at the ant. No one got shot though, it was like a Goku vs Vegeta kamehameha stalemate beam. So SWIM is wagering seeing demons/the devil is also not too uncommon.

Has anyone seen any demons or the devil during a DMT trip?
 
Demons? Devils? No. That would give them more power than they deserve.

The negative entities seem to like to get inside of you or at least right in your face. They attempt to trigger fear. As soon as the fear comes they have some control over you. I do not see them as anything but a part of me now. They only have power if I choose to give it to them.
 
DmnStr8 said:
Demons? Devils? No. That would give them more power than they deserve.

The negative entities seem to like to get inside of you or at least right in your face. They attempt to trigger fear. As soon as the fear comes they have some control over you. I do not see them as anything but a part of me now. They only have power if I choose to give it to them.

This.


Focus breeds energy, compounds it, for better or for worse ime.

I think 'the jesus bleeding on the cross' or any number of imagery that could come up during, isn't to be payed much mind. I've never gotten hung up on the parts, i've always look at the whole, the experience in its entirety, as it's happening.

Ime all these polarities that we tend to talk about, at a certain point in hyperspace they all just transform into one another. While one aspect, entity, feeling, vision comes forth, typically it's pretty rapid in transition, forming into something totally opposite to what it had been previously. This goes on during most of the experience for me.

All dissolves back into eternal mystery.
 
Hi,

I have had entity problems in the past but not on DMT. I am mildly psychic and they used to suck a lot of energy from my chakras when I was lying down and also just sit in my aura and harrass me. I was able to block out clairvoyance and clairaudience for the most part and just felt them touching me. However, I have seen Zeta Extraterrestrials when I was astral projecting from a sleep state. I have also seen what I have learnt to be a demon. It got into my dream one night and it looked very similar to Gollum in Lord of the Rings. It had an evil grin on it's ugly face. Normally I don't experience fear in my dreams but something triggered that this was real and I got afraid and my heart rate elevated. I woke up in fear to find it was trying to pull my out of my body and my astral arms were out of my physical arms. I just moved a bit and it broke the spell it had over me. I have also seen a dark cloudy mass of an entity over me just when I was waking up but I always filter this stuff out when I am wide awake. Also had a few psychics tell me that I had Octupus looking entities attached to me.

I still deal with the odd entity issue but I have managed to get rid of most of them.
 
There has been one such experience that i'll Always remember. It was realy frightening.

There was a voice, and it called me. "imagine a world without pain or sorrow", it said. And then it showed me a world, incredibly beautiful and awesome. And though it was somewhat apparent that the beauty of it was kind of superficial, it still had an incredible lure. I was atracted to it, lured in. "Good, good", it said, "Reject the world you've known for all your life, with all that suffering and pain in it, and embrace this world that is so much better and so beautiful". I realised that what was going on was not a good thing. Still, i felt the powerfull lure of this magnificent other world. I thought that maybe just taking a peek probably couldn't do any harm. But when i did, i felt some sort of darkness encapsulating me. It was like a great living forest of shadows, closing me in. I tried to walk away toward the only place where i saw a tiny light.
But then i felt a presence. There was a dark entity standing very close to me. It was a very masculine kind of presence. It looked like a very dark silhouette. Like it was entirely made of shadow. And it was cold. I could feel the coldness of it. It radiated coldness. I turned away and ran as fast as i could. Until i reached a garden of some sort. Again i thought of just taking one more look at this fascinating world the entity had shown me. But immediately i felt it's presence again. I now opened my eyes, and i was freaking out because i felt the entity had now crawled inside of me. It tried to convince me that, by taking a look into his world, i had actually agreed to sell my soul.
But i became incredibly angry, and i shouted NO, NO, NO!!! I knew that i was innocent, as this dark entity hadn't told me what the consequences would be, of looking. I had agreed on nothing with this entity. My sould was mine. Not his. "OK, OK", it said. "you can go, for now. But i know you are weak. I know that you can't resist the lure. I know you'll come back. And next time you won't get away so easily because now you know. Now you're informed".

I was afraid, because i knew that he was right about my weaknes. "If only i could have something to hold on to, to keep me from ever visiting that place again", i was thinking. "something to remind me, some kind of sign". The very moment i was having this thought, the light of my cellphone suddenly switched on. Out of itself, for no reason.

It was probably just a coincidence, but at that moment it realy felt like i was given the chance to redeem myself.

This experience tought me to never give in to any kind of utopian thinking. Not to ever fall for any political or religious ideology or dream. So yes, i do have political opinions like everybody else, i guess. I do believe that one thing may be better than another..but i won't ever believe in any kind of political ideology or system. I won't fall for whatever ideology. And not because, as some people say, utopian ideologies tend to deny the darker side of man. But rather because they, in doing so, also tend to deny the good in people.
 
swimwithlove said:
SWIM has not seen any demons, devil-like entities, or negatively-charged entities as of yet.

But SWIM has read a trip report of someone seeing a vivid depiction of Jesus bleeding on the cross during a breakthrough trip, albeit being an atheist. SWIM has read another trip report of someone seeing a bipedal ant the size of a man who said he was the devil, and the ant shot laser beams at him. He also shot laser beams back at the ant. No one got shot though, it was like a Goku vs Vegeta kamehameha stalemate beam. So SWIM is wagering seeing demons/the devil is also not too uncommon.

Has anyone seen any demons or the devil during a DMT trip?

I believe that the state's described in the Bardo Thodol, that death, and the DMT flash are identical territory...

Throughout the Bardo Thodol it describes encounters with demons and wrathful deities, however it ultimately states that these are manifestations of negative human emotions and karma, and are ultimately products of your own consciousness.

Once again, if the soul responds to the "dazzling white light"of the second God with the joy of a pure heart, he will be liberated thereby; but if he specifically reacts with ANGER from having indulged in this vice on Earth, he will recoil from the light in fear and be drawn into hell.

The pattern is repeated on the third day; this time it is the fault if egotism that will cause the soul to react to the God with fear, and he will be drawn to the human world, where his next incarnation will thereby take place. On the fourth day dawns the God of Eternal Life; if the soul has a negative reaction to him because of miserliness and attachment, he will be drawn toward rebirth in the Preta-Loka, a world of"hungry ghosts"who have huge stomachs and throats the size of pinholes, and so they wander about in a constant state of unsatisfied ravenous desire. On the fifth day comes God in the form of an Almighty Conqueror; this time it's jealousy that will unseat the soul, and he will be born into the Asura-Loka, a world of fierce warrior-deities (or demons). On the sixth day all the deities return and dawn together, along with the lights from all six Lokas. On the seventh day there appear the Knowledge-Holding Deities, who are more fierce and demonic-looking than those that have previously dawned;and in fact they are sort of a transitional element to the next stage of the second bardo, where the soul encounters the wrathful deities. Meanwhile, if because of stupidity the soul cannot face the Knowledge-Holding Deities, he is drawn toward the Brute-Loka - that is, he will be reborn on Earth as an animal.

In the second week of the second bardo, the soul meets seven legions of Wrathful Deities: hideous, terrifying demons who advance upon him with flame and sword, drinking blood from human skulls, threatening to wreak unmerciful torture upon him, to maim, disembowel, decapitate and slay him. The natural tendency, of course, is for the soul to attempt to flee from these beings in stark, screaming, blood-curdled terror;but if he does, all is lost. The instructions at this stage of the Bardo are for the soul to have no fear, but rather to recognize that the Wrathful Deities are really the Peaceful Deities in disguise, their dark side manifesting as a result of his own evil karma. The soul is told to calmly face each demon in turn and visualize it as the deity it truly is, or else as his own tutelary deity; if he can do this, he will merge with the being and attain the second degree of Liberation, that lesser aspect of it which is now the best he can hope for here in the second bardo.

Furthermore, he is told to awaken to the fact that all these fearsome creatures are not real, but are merely illusions emanating from his own mind. If he can recognize this, they will vanish and he will be liberated. If he can't, he eventually wanders down to the third bardo.

3. The Third Bardo

In the third bardo the soul encounters the Lord of Death, a fearsome demonic deity who appears in smoke and fire, and subjects the soul to a Judgment. If the dead person protests that he has done no evil, the Lord of Death holds up before him the Mirror of Karma, "wherein every good and evil act is vividly reflected." Now demons approach and begin to inflict torments and punishments upon the soul for his evil deeds. The instructions in the Bardo Thodol are for him to attempt to recognize the Voidness of all these beings, including the Lord of Death himself; the dead person is told that this entire scene unfolding around him is a projection from his own mind. Even here he can attain liberation by recognizing this.

The soul who is still not liberated after the Judgment will now be drawn remorselessly toward rebirth.

The lights of the six Lokas will dawn again; into one of these worlds the soul must be born, and the light of the one he is destined for will shine more brightly than the others.The soul is still experiencing the frightening apparitions and sufferings of the third bardo, and he feels that he will do anything to escape from this condition. He will seek shelter in what appear to be caves or hiding-places, but which are actually the entrances to wombs. He is warned of this by the text of the Bardo Thodol, and urged not to enter them, * but to meditate upon the Clear Light instead*; for it is still possible for him to achieve the third degree of liberation and avoid rebirth.

*I am of the opinion that The Chikhai Bardo* and the dimethyktryptamine flash are identical states, And that the clear light and the white light at the moment of death are analogous to the DMT flash.

Coincidentally, when terence mckenna gave DMT to a prominent Tibetan lama, he was told that the DMT flash was identical to the chikhai bardo...

I once had a fortunate opportunity of being able to turn a very prominent Tibetan lama onto DMT—a name that you would recognize, although not one of the top five, but a more wizened, older, stranger character. And I, you know, he did it, and I said, “So what about it?” You know, these people, these Tibetan Buddhists, have a pretty good map of the territory. He said it’s the lesser lights. He said you can’t go further than that without breaking the thread of return. He said beyond this, there’s no returning. And so, in a very real sense, it’s a look over the edge. But then even that doesn’t solve all the mysteries. I mean, what is it about this wish to convey a language that is seen? What’s that all about? Is it that perhaps language has always been a gift from the other? -terence mckenna

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*The Chikhai Bardo is the after death state described in the Bardo Thodol (Tibetan Book of the Dead) wherein the consciousness of the dead person fully enters into the light of the dharmakaya or "truth body." (explained in the first part of this series).

In this state, the person temporarily experiences for the first time the state of awareness without a second, that is to say, a state of pure consciousness.

This is the state of non-duality. The first experience here is the sight of the Primordial Clear Light or the "Clear Light of Reality." This is the pure mind of the Buddha, Christ, and all the perfected saints and mystics.

It is generally accepted among various spiritual traditions that the total amount of time it takes to transition between two consecutive earthly incarnations is 49 days. During this period, the first 3 to 4 days are spent in the Chikhai Bardo wherein the Awareness-body is formed. chinabuddhismencyclopedia.com

Throughout the Bardo Thodol it describes encounters with demons and wrathful deities, however it ultimately states that these are manifestations of negative human emotions and karma, and are ultimately products of your own consciousness.

·the dead person is told that this entire scene unfolding around him is a projection from his own mind

·Furthermore, he is told to awaken to the fact that all these fearsome creatures are not real, but are merely illusions emanating from his own mind

·Etc...

-Bardo Thodol

Time and time again the Bardo Thodol explains how these demons or negative deities are meant to be dealt with...

I believe that the Bardo Thodol and the DMT flash are identical territory, and as a result the Bardo Thodol can be used as a guide for the after death, as well as a guide for the DMT flash, follow the advice of the Bardo Thodol while in the DMT flash, it's almost certain that you will obtain the results you seek.

-eg
 
I have had a single experience with a "wrathful deity" or a "demon", it was during my first DMT experience, I experienced death, dismemberment, resurrection, and rebirth, and the dismemberment portion was perpetrated by a giant praying mantis...

*note: the dose range in this report is highly inflated, it is beyond stupid to ever dose this high*

the first time I used N,N-dimethyltryptamine I smoked 200mgs of translucent yellow crystals on top of a small amount of high-grade cannabis, I consumed it in a single inhalation. I held the hit in less than 5 seconds when the rush began, "I don't believe it!" I kept repeating in my head, "this is impossible".... my surroundings began to quiver and slither apart, faster than anything I had ever seen everything began moving away from everything else in a mash of brilliant color geometric form, and speed, before fully shattering the "reality" in my visual and mental field, it came on like a freight train, I remember thinking "oh fuck! Get this stuff out of me!" And frantically trying to exhale. It was pure terror, I thought "now you have done it! You killed yourself!" After brief mourning at the life I had just departed from I began to pay attention to the present, I remember feeling like I was at the bottom of a foggy mountain with dirt roads, the clouds felt like a domed ceiling, everything was wet, misty, cloudy and rainy, I was overcome with an intense feeling of panic and deja-vu, I felt like a lost child, everything I knew about who I was or my life or earth seemed like a distant dream, like I dissolved out of existence, I interpreted this as dying, I knew that I was dead, and I was emotionally overwhelmed while confronting the event of my death, just like sand slipping through finger cracks I tried to hold onto this all as my entire identity as a human was dissolved, I remembered my name, the earth, my family, who I was, being a human, and life, but like grabbing at smoke, it was futile, all of this slipped away and nearly faded entirely out of my memory, impossible to cling to all this, I had to let it go...I kept thinking "what the fuck was life?" ...I could not tell if I was breathing or not, I would take air in, but couldn't feel it, I began taking in panicked deep breaths, thinking that none of the oxygen was entering my system, then noticed a pain in my chest, a giant mantis like being had its claws in my chest! It proceeded to tear open my chest and stomach removing all my organs and insides, I was about to go into shock when I saw a bright green light flash over my shoulder, it nearly hit me, it then became a beautiful fractal-geometric object, morphing and color changing, at times it was metallic at other times it was a beautiful jewel, and all the while to look into it was to view endless geometric fractal patterns, moving, morphing, and changing color. The mantis then put this object in my torn up body, he began to make billions of these objects, each one unique and radiating beautiful colored light, and the mantoid filled my body with them, billions of them, becoming small as atoms to construct the new insides of my mangled corpse, then I was sealed up and propelled into an orange light where I was resurrected, my conscious-being (soul) was becoming reunited with the physical world ...then I felt as if I was being pushed head first through a thick gelatinous membrane, violent gesticulations of the membrane surrounding me were forcing me through this thing...I was being born...slowly I began to recognize my surroundings, my face still covered in tears, I looked up and saw the branches of a tree in the yard all slither in sinister fashion in from all directions to take place and solidify as the tree in the distance, the world began to slither back into place, most things moved in an elegant liquid serpentine slithering motion, or like the dancing movements of a flame, as the world constructed itself back into the familiar, so did my conscious state and memory, I was still disoriented, and fairly traumatized, I thought I had been gone for millennia, "how long was I gone I asked?"...."about 20 minutes" was the answer ....those who were there said in reality I curled up into a ball and began to cry for 20 minutes, I was wondering why my face was wet, because it felt like I had actually just been through being born, I was still covered in tears...any way the immense deep spiritual and psychological implications of this experience left me for ever transformed, reborn as a new person entirely, it was the single most meaningful thing that has ever happened to me, and changed me in many significant ways, all for the better.
-eg

Though I'm not sure this entity was necessarily a negative being...

I have heard stories of vicious assaults perpetrated by demons or monsters while in the DMT flash, though I think that these incidents may be karma driven to some degree, or may be a result of a person carrying around a good deal of negative emotions or negative energies...

The bardo thodol describes some amazing techniques for dealing with such beings, I outlined a good deal of this in my previous post.

-eg
 
Demons and the devil happen to be the basal fear encoded in Western culture. Look at our horror movies. Look at our religions. Look at our superstitions. Spice has been regarded as both the "spirit molecule" and as the "nightmare hallucinogen." It is my theory that psychedelics can reduce humans to the lower regions of their brain. These regions have been connected to the desire and action for self-preservation. In other words, these regions are responsible for fear and paranoia. Never ASSUME or DEDUCE that two people have/had the same trip. Personally, I'd be very interested to hear about the bad trips had by people who grew up in the Eastern part of the world. Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, King Ghidorah, Godzilla Junior, Space Godzilla, Kiryu, Zilla. Holy fuck.
 
I see Demons, Aliens and the Devil in my CEV's most times I trip. I try to just grin and acknowledge their presence. They're part of the landscape of my culturally imprinted psyche. :D
 
Yes. I have seen really unpleasant and frightening things. The more I had experiences with psychedelics the more I noticed that the only common denominator (or demon-inator...*groan*...sorry) between all these allegedly "evil" experiences was.....SATAN!:twisted: ....naw jus playin!..actually, the common denominator was me.

Then I went real deep one time with 10 hits of that killer Hoffman acid and 4.5! g of dried cubensis few years back. Well needless to say some shit happened. I came out of it with a couple of pieces of wisdom that work for me...

1)
a} the only thing on the whole planet, throughout all time(probably definitely ) that has ever done ANYTHING "evil" is people...and we love our scapegoats...hence: the devil/demons.

b)The only person on the whole planet, throughout all time, that I control the actions of, is me.

So the only bad stuff i ever did was the only bad stuff I had the full power to stop!...damn at least there are waaay worse people....roight?

nope.... It doesn't matter that some other people have done waaaay worse shit than I have....Its real easy to distract from the fact of my own responsibility for shitty things in this life....like, compared to Hitler, im a pretty decent person!
But compared to the devil, Hitler is really just a dude doing the "devils work"....well perhaps the point has been made...ill continue regardless. Humans love to pass the buck so much that we passed it right back to our own imaginations....while convincing ourselves that it was beyond our control...in some magical narnia spirit realm, where angels fight against demons...."thas laughable, man!" as The Jesus says to Jeffery Lebowski

2) If I fully surrender to being ripped apart and raped and consumed by these strange entities, they would immediately "destroy" me and shift into something else....something sublime and beautiful...
....and not one bit rape-y!!
besides even if they didn't change it wouldn't matter in the least....cause I was actually just laying on the floor of my studio, tripping balls and at some point that would stop.

so really its all G baby!....unless you happen to see the demon with the yellow eyes ,carrying the umbrella....cause if you see him, it means death is certain!...hahaha! Im just kidding....death is certain no matter what we see or do.:thumb_up:


Sincerely,
Lucifer "darnell" The devil
 
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