Newfound_wonder said:
gibran2 said:
Newfound_wonder said:
Likewise, when the FFA neurons misfire due to altered concentrations of neurotransmitters, you're gonna perceive a face. Especially if you have been primed to look for faces during the trip. We see what we want to see. So that makes it hard to discern whether the face is the product of your imagination or if extradimensional beings visit you right after smoking DMT.
But the question remains: why is the perception of faces so common during the experience?
And why have some of us never seen anything remotely close to resembling a face?
I'd say because smoking large amounts of DMT disrupts one's ability to sense and perceive the world, resulting in an amalgamation of sensory data that can be perceived in whatever way you want. You want to see a face, you could probably pick out a face amongst the madness.
Or, aliens jesters and faces visit a select group of people after smoking DMT.
This idea of seeing faces as a conscious or unconscious desire to make sense out of an essentially chaotic pattern based on purely neurological activity may be comforting to some... but it seems to me like an attempt to force experiences which are clearly outliers into the narrow realm of one's current worldview.
To go over the basic contradictory facts:
1) People
don't just
see faces... or jesters... they
interact with beings that seem to be telepathic and so wholly "other" to the psychonaut as to give 99% of the trip reporters the certainty that they are dealing with an independent outside entity. (At least while it is happening... many people revert to more "sane" viewpoints when they have come down enough or gotten far enough away from the experience.)
2) People who have no expectations of seeing jesters or even have much of any cultural background with such figures often report seeing them. Many people who never read a trip report or were told anything about the experiences of others come back talking about clowns, jesters, harlequins... and circus ringleaders.
3) People's experiences do not follow typical wish fulfillment or fantasy patterns, but often involve experiences that would be considered undesired, uncomfortable, capricious, unpredictable, and baffling. Note, this is not generally the case with hypnogogic imagery, daydreaming, or other forms of fantasizing.
4) The amount of conformity and congruity between trip reports from widely divergent cultures, personalities, religious backgrounds, scientific understanding and the like can not be accounted for. Statistically the numbers are very significant, and attempting to brush them aside as merely pattern recognition among chaotic visual distortions provided by misfiring neurons is
not actually explaining the phenomenon.
When talking about the hallucinations typical of LSD or Mushrooms, this kind of train of thought might seem to hold water. When talking about the hyperspace experiences of entities provided by more powerful entheogenic experiences, it simply falls flat. Despite the way it is presented, it is simply not any more logical to believe that humans have jesters and other archetypal fools hardwired into their brains... than it is to imagine that we might actually be encountering actual residents of hyperspace... or any other of a million possible explanations.
I'm
not saying that Hyperspace Entities are 100% real objective external personalities. Who knows? We can't even say that about our waking lives in general. What I am saying, like Gibran2, is that passing them off as neurological oddities caused solely by the ingestion of a small amount of alkaloid... is somewhat lazy intellectual thinking.
From the descriptions found on this thread, it seems that people are encountering a number of different archetypal entities and species of entity. In addition to the jesters, harlequins, clowns, and fools (all slightly different IME), there are the flirty fairies, the geniuses, the ringleaders (in the top hats), the great goddesses and more. Those who have an interest in such things can check out my entry on the subject in the Hyperspace Lexicon :
Hyperspace lexicon - DMT-Nexus Wiki