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Have you ever tried LSD?

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I have tried it many times. It has been almost 13 years since I took of it but some of the very best writings I have done in my life was on LSD. Unlike DMT you are coherent enough to actually be able to write and focus. It opens your mind and allows insight and imagination flow freely. Plus the fact that it lasts for 12 hours you really get allot done. IMHO it's one fo the most productive and effective drugs in existance for creativity.

Keep in mind some of the best songs from the 60's and early 70's were composed and written while on LSD. Many of the songs you guys hear from the latest rock stars are nothing more than remixes of those songs. THe thing is to get the most from LSD you need to be in a dark quiet place as you will be easily and I do mean easily distracted by just about anything.
 
endlessness said:
For SWIM, LSD is like the joker in playing cards. It doesnt have any inherent 'being' to it, its more like a card that can play as the other cards, but is never itself anything definitely.
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I'd have to take issue with that statement. It's a common statement made by many but SWIM feels it’s completely wrong and that LSD has a very specific character that is very unique from the rest and is not at all like the "joker" of the playing cards. For SWIM LSD is the most intellectually harsh psychedelic there is. That's its hallmark. That’s not a bad thing necessarily, but that’s its main quality. It amplifies mental views and emotions. It’s like looking through a magnifying glass at your mind and the world around you. All the little details are blown way out of proportion. That effect leads to insights into the world around you and the world within your mind and that can be very rewarding (or very annoying if you don’t like what you see).

LSD is an amplifier and a mind bender more than all the other psychedelics. This is why some people absolutely hate it while others absolutely love it. I don’t see it as the transparent “Joker” in the playing cards. I see it as a great mental magnifying glass. SWIM can never really get true visions from it like he can with psilocybin, or mescaline, even at very high doses. For SWIM the trip is always a mental trip and not a spiritual visionary experience. It’s a trip into the mind, technology, and society. I just don’t see how it could be called the “Joker” in the playing cards.
 
Poll results for the three related polls as of Saturday, February 28, 2009 7:00:00 PM

Have you ever tried LSD?
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Choice                             Votes Statistics
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I tried it and I liked it          16    84%
I tried it and it was ok            1     5%
I tried it and I did not like it    0     0%
No, but I want to try it someday    1     5%
No, and I do not want to try it     1     5%
Have you ever tried psilocybin/mushrooms?
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Choice                             Votes Statistics
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I tried it and I liked it          10    90%
I tried it and it was ok            1     9%
I tried it and I did not like it    0     0%
No, but I want to try it someday    0     0%
No, and I do not want to try it     0     0%
Have you ever tried mescaline/cactus?
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Choice                             Votes Statistics
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I tried it and I liked it           7    58%
I tried it and it was ok            1     8%
I tried it and I did not like it    0     0%
No, but I want to try it someday    4    33%
No, and I do not want to try it     0     0%

17 people have tried LSD.
11 people have tried psilocybin/mushrooms.
8 people have tried mescaline/cactus.

1 person doesn’t want to try LSD.
0 people don’t want to try psilocybin/mushrooms.
0 people don’t want to try mescaline/cactus.

1 person wants to try LSD for the first time.
0 people want to try psilocybin/mushrooms for the first time.
4 people want to try mescaline/cactus for the first time.
 
69ron said:
endlessness said:
For SWIM, LSD is like the joker in playing cards. It doesnt have any inherent 'being' to it, its more like a card that can play as the other cards, but is never itself anything definitely.
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I'd have to take issue with that statement. It's a common statement made by many but SWIM feels it’s completely wrong and that LSD has a very specific character that is very unique from the rest and is not at all like the "joker" of the playing cards. For SWIM LSD is the most intellectually harsh psychedelic there is. That's its hallmark. That’s not a bad thing necessarily, but that’s its main quality. It amplifies mental views and emotions. It’s like looking through a magnifying glass at your mind and the world around you. All the little details are blown way out of proportion. That effect leads to insights into the world around you and the world within your mind and that can be very rewarding (or very annoying if you don’t like what you see).

LSD is an amplifier and a mind bender more than all the other psychedelics. This is why some people absolutely hate it while others absolutely love it. I don’t see it as the transparent “Joker” in the playing cards. I see it as a great mental magnifying glass. SWIM can never really get true visions from it like he can with psilocybin, or mescaline, even at very high doses. For SWIM the trip is always a mental trip and not a spiritual visionary experience. It’s a trip into the mind, technology, and society. I just don’t see how it could be called the “Joker” in the playing cards.
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I would agree with most of this. But if you manage for one moment to stop the mental-machinery, that got activated by the LSD, it can become more visionary. It's realy hard to do this, i know. For instance, i never succeeded in meditating on acid. But if you would manage, just for a second to sitback and relax, it can be very rewarding. back in the days when i took a lot of acid i still used to smoke a lot of MJ, and i remember that a few times when i smoked it, when i was on acid, everything changed and it all became far more visionary then it was before. Passionflower also worked pretty well for enhancing the visionary aspects of the trip.
But it's true, it will never be like DMT, shrooms or ayahuasca. Even in high doses.
 
polytrip said:
Passionflower also worked pretty well for enhancing the visionary aspects of the trip.
But it's true, it will never be like DMT, shrooms or ayahuasca. Even in high doses.
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Yes passionflower definitely makes LSD a visionary experience similar to ayahuasca. It does the same for HBWR seeds.

If you want a fantastic experience with HBWR seeds, brew some tea using 1 tablespoon of crushed passionflower leaves and 1 tablespoon of crushed peppermint leaves. Add 1-5 crushed HBWR seeds to the cold tea, and keep refrigerated overnight. The following morning filter out the seeds.

The peppermint leaves contain acetaldehyde which does something to alter the effects of HBWR seeds making them much more like LSD by somehow getting rid of the sedative effects of the seeds. It’s believed that they convert the LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) into LSH (d-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide). LSH is LSD’s closest natural relative. Its found in fresh HBWR seeds but eventually breaks down into LSA and acetaldehyde. It’s believed that at about pH 4, simply mixing LSA with acetaldehyde from peppermint will reform LSH.

The passionflower modifies the trip making it more meditative and visionary.

This is a highly recommended four star combination. You can’t go wrong with this one. It’s AMAZINGLY NICE!
 
69ron said:
endlessness said:
For SWIM, LSD is like the joker in playing cards. It doesnt have any inherent 'being' to it, its more like a card that can play as the other cards, but is never itself anything definitely.
Click to expand...

I'd have to take issue with that statement. It's a common statement made by many but SWIM feels it’s completely wrong and that LSD has a very specific character that is very unique from the rest and is not at all like the "joker" of the playing cards. For SWIM LSD is the most intellectually harsh psychedelic there is. That's its hallmark. That’s not a bad thing necessarily, but that’s its main quality. It amplifies mental views and emotions. It’s like looking through a magnifying glass at your mind and the world around you. All the little details are blown way out of proportion. That effect leads to insights into the world around you and the world within your mind and that can be very rewarding (or very annoying if you don’t like what you see).

LSD is an amplifier and a mind bender more than all the other psychedelics. This is why some people absolutely hate it while others absolutely love it. I don’t see it as the transparent “Joker” in the playing cards. I see it as a great mental magnifying glass. SWIM can never really get true visions from it like he can with psilocybin, or mescaline, even at very high doses. For SWIM the trip is always a mental trip and not a spiritual visionary experience. It’s a trip into the mind, technology, and society. I just don’t see how it could be called the “Joker” in the playing cards.
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well I agree its the amplifier of the mind and so on, Ive also stated many times... I can see how both are true. I wasnt talking it doesnt have its own characteristics (such as the increased mental functioning and so on). I meant more in the sense of a 'being' that I personally feel with ayahuasca (the mother goddess and her helpers), with mushrooms (the mushroom king and the little gnomes also) or in the few times i've tried mescaline (also this wise vegetative being behind).. I can only say for myself but I've never felt such thing with lsd.. its always more technological/mental/mathematical kind of thing, a 'joker' that amplifies the different games all around but doesnt show his own face.
 
69ron said:
polytrip said:
Passionflower also worked pretty well for enhancing the visionary aspects of the trip.
But it's true, it will never be like DMT, shrooms or ayahuasca. Even in high doses.
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Yes passionflower definitely makes LSD a visionary experience similar to ayahuasca. It does the same for HBWR seeds.

If you want a fantastic experience with HBWR seeds, brew some tea using 1 tablespoon of crushed passionflower leaves and 1 tablespoon of crushed peppermint leaves. Add 1-5 crushed HBWR seeds to the cold tea, and keep refrigerated overnight. The following morning filter out the seeds.

The peppermint leaves contain acetaldehyde which does something to alter the effects of HBWR seeds making them much more like LSD by somehow getting rid of the sedative effects of the seeds. It’s believed that they convert the LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) into LSH (d-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide). LSH is LSD’s closest natural relative. Its found in fresh HBWR seeds but eventually breaks down into LSA and acetaldehyde. It’s believed that at about pH 4, simply mixing LSA with acetaldehyde from peppermint will reform LSH.

The passionflower modifies the trip making it more meditative and visionary.

This is a highly recommended four star combination. You can’t go wrong with this one. It’s AMAZINGLY NICE!
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This is of great interest to me. I have a massive bag of passion flower leaves. What is HBWR?
 
69ron said:
When you look at the three polls it becomes aparent that most of the people on this forum are acid heads.

People that tried LSD: 21
People that tried Psilocybin/mushrooms: 15
People that tried Mescaline/cactus: 9
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Lol its so true. And I think that most of the people with the exeception of a few are older than 20. I think the new generation of people are different than the people that grew up in the 60's and 70's.
 
Hey 970Codfert from reading a few of your post youve got me intrested in spinning. I mean I guess its been floating around my head for awhile but never really tried it. You know of any good online resources/communities that could give me some good beginner tips?
As for the poll, love has to be my friends favorite psyche and he tried most. He took a break for a few months though. He got it in his head that the paper makes him sick and he drinks the liquid too fast so he decided to stop for awhile.
 
I wonder if certain personality types are drawn to one of the big three: LSD, psilocybin, or mescaline.
 
Very few if anyone would go from not trying any kind of hallucinogen to DMT. DMT is a major step. Most people would at least try something lesser first. Some others are drawn here from experiences in the past with one of the three. They 'want to take it farther' . It takes a certain type of person to be willing to alter their conciousness. Some people flip out at the sheer mention of taking acid. They are so rooted in their current mental state that altering it even for a short period terrorfies them.
 
weissewolf said:
Hey 970Codfert from reading a few of your post youve got me intrested in spinning. I mean I guess its been floating around my head for awhile but never really tried it. You know of any good online resources/communities that could give me some good beginner tips?
As for the poll, love has to be my friends favorite psyche and he tried most. He took a break for a few months though. He got it in his head that the paper makes him sick and he drinks the liquid too fast so he decided to stop for awhile.
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There's a lot of really great tutorials on youtube for getting the basics down. I highly recommend it. Poi is a great avenue for creative expression once you can play freely with the basics. beware though... its addicting.

Check out www.homeofpoi.com or www.playpoi.com

Come to think of it... I bet there are some good forums out there for poi. Perhaps I will google that.
 
69ron said:
When you look at the three polls it becomes aparent that most of the people on this forum are acid heads.
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SWIM took it because it was offered to him as his first hallucinogen (now he has tried more, it is actually his least favourite). This was 13 years ago, the tail end of the rave explosion, which I presume would've been accompanied by a renewed popularity for acid.
So I agree with DarkBB's interpretation. I expect these days kids are starting with amanita, cactus and salvia from headshops. SWIM doesn't remember anything like that being on offer when he was young- certainly the ones he went in were just full of weed paraphanalia.
 
SWIM tried LSD and liked it despite all the difficult things it brought up besides the laughing and, um, trippiness. Several times, but infrequently due to being uncannily talented at finding mushrooms :D . Last time was Albert Hofmann's first posthumous birthday. Very strong, high quality stuff. Great for all sorts of activities, especially those involving body awareness. Terrible for interacting with normal people!

Although 12 hours of the intellectual side of it did make SWIM's head hurt, SWIM will definitely be doing it again at an appropriately well-considered moment. It was, SWIM says, so very remarkable.

Two words - SET and SETTING!!
 
69ron said:
polytrip said:
Passionflower also worked pretty well for enhancing the visionary aspects of the trip.
But it's true, it will never be like DMT, shrooms or ayahuasca. Even in high doses.
Click to expand...

Yes passionflower definitely makes LSD a visionary experience similar to ayahuasca. It does the same for HBWR seeds.

If you want a fantastic experience with HBWR seeds, brew some tea using 1 tablespoon of crushed passionflower leaves and 1 tablespoon of crushed peppermint leaves. Add 1-5 crushed HBWR seeds to the cold tea, and keep refrigerated overnight. The following morning filter out the seeds.

The peppermint leaves contain acetaldehyde which does something to alter the effects of HBWR seeds making them much more like LSD by somehow getting rid of the sedative effects of the seeds. It’s believed that they convert the LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) into LSH (d-Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide). LSH is LSD’s closest natural relative. Its found in fresh HBWR seeds but eventually breaks down into LSA and acetaldehyde. It’s believed that at about pH 4, simply mixing LSA with acetaldehyde from peppermint will reform LSH.

The passionflower modifies the trip making it more meditative and visionary.

This is a highly recommended four star combination. You can’t go wrong with this one. It’s AMAZINGLY NICE!
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Swim will try the passionflower at some point, would it be ok to just use peppermint oil instead of leaves??

The hbws seeds with the peppermint oil is great, closest thing swims had to acid in years. Swim and his friend tried six seeds and were thinking of upping the dose, but swim is worried about this anxiety swiy speaks of with higher doses? How many would you say is too many?? really interested in the passionflower because if the visuals got going it would be even closer to acid, highly reccomended folks and thanks for this 69ron, totally changes the seeds, much more stimulating! :d
 
Im pretty sure to remember that ALD-52 metabolizes into LSD so it should be identical. There was a story of I think owsley defending himself saying he made ALD-52 but in court a chemist showed that to get to ALD-52 one would first have to pass through LSD, and that it would anyways be metabolized into LSD so it was not a valid defense
 
LSD's a weird one. With psilocybin I'll gladly munch up a sizable dose in the middle of a city and ride the train home. I have a feeling of adventure and innocence on this chemical that can be equaled only by childhood emotions. I've had many bad trips on mushrooms also but I have used these little guys more than any other psychedelic. Only one of these negative experiences was without usefulness and it involved me barricading my front door because I thought the police were after me because I owed the bank money (very funny in retrospect). I've also experienced total oblivion in which I was blissfully reborn.

I've tried LSD twice. The second time was a blissful epiphany machine where I was dancing the whole time and texting revelations to my friends and then went to sleep feeling peaceful. Looking at all the footage of LSD users in the 60's and 70's this is the way I always imagined LSD to be and was the only deciding factor in my taking it a second time.

My first time was all about riding peaks of wonder through troughs of chaos. I think with mushrooms because of the generally shorter duration one can go into oblivion and then come back feeling all the wiser and better for it. This LSD trip lasted 16 hours in which I seemed to ride the wave of death of conciousness multiple times which made the experience lose much of it's worth and in actual fact rather than experiencing something meaningful I felt like I was being teased not just by the chemical, but all who were around me. At times I couldn't see my hands in front of my face, I was surrounded by living machines, time seemed to physically slow down to a point where I felt myself pushing physically harder to move at the right speed only to recalibrate to the norm at which I fell down. I felt very worn out the next day.

This first trip I wrote off as a dose too high. On top of which is was quite cold (I was outside by the way) and my only company is the guy who can never give a straight answer.

The bit that throws me off the most is dosing. I'll always remember people touching, looking at and tasting MDMA to check what it is (or more commonly than not isn't), but with LSD this is impossible, in light of which I could never really take it under the word of a stranger. But if I could secure a good amount from someone who I knew and trusted I imagine I would experiment much further.
 
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