HCl Acacia accident :(

[bacacio]

Hi members,

I accidentally mixed an acacia extract (A. obtusifolia and A. maidenii phyllodes and branch bark) with a mimosa hostilis acidic solution (mhrb had been already acid-boiled and filtered). The extraction leading to the acacia extract went just fine, was using acetic acid.
I realized too late that the acid used in the mhrb extraction was hydrochloric acid and when continuing to extract, basing the mix with naoh, a strange massive precipitation of big needles occured. I knew not to use hcl with acacia but i just forgot about the hcl in the mhrb mix :?:
It is almost impossible to pull with d-limonene, magnetic stiring the mix as well. The whole solution gets very thick and needles can be seen throughout.

Can anybody tell me, from a chemically stand point of view, what those needles might be (Besides DMT and other goodies ) i.e. what kind of chemical reaction occured (might have occured) (acacia+hcl) and how one could/should proceed? Might there maybe be a trick to reverse that negative reaction and save the extraction?

Also, even within the salted solution there already has occured some precipitation which kind of looks like the same as the before mentioned. But these can of course just be filtered away, though

Here are some photos of the precipitations:

Thanks, nexians

 

[null24]

I can't help with your question, but have one of my own precipitated ( )by yours.

So what exactly is the issue with ACRB and and HCl?

 

[GOD]

Needle crystals ---- > Erowid Chemicals Vaults : Images : mescaline crystal _i2005e1683_disp

I dont know what you have . I have had similar results several times over the years with my experiments . A supriseingly big amount of wet white crystal mush . I took it to the local chemists shop and asked the chemist and he said he couldnt say without doing some tests BUT that the only thing that he could think of was that it might be Oxalic acid crystals .

Hope someone knows what it is because i am also interested to know what it could be ?

 

[bacacio]

@null24:

just read it here on the nexus that one should NOT use hcl with acacia because it can lead to unwanted reactions. Maybe with acrb it's less of an issue than with other species of acacia like obtusifolia or maidenii.

Maybe an advanced chemist here can tell more about it!?

@GOD Massive precipitation mainly occured in a very basic naoh solution, so it can't be oxalates

The crystals in the acidic solution may be some sort of salt indeed.
I am just concerned if there might have ocurred a reaction having led to some toxic compounds.

Anyone else having had such an issue with acacia?

Is trying to dissolve the dried mass in dcm, then salting out with fumaric acid and go on from there is maybe the best idea?

cheers,

 

[Earthwalker]

HCl with ACRB is IMO a fantastic pairing , I used it once through a recommendation from Traveling Tommy ( haven't seen in ages ) but I have never gone back and I think my result speak for them selves ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus , but I can't speak for other species of acacia but I can't see why there'd be a differance !

 

[Moonshine]

I have a quick off topic question about Acacia. If extractions are done correctly and white fluffy crystals are produced is it safe to say there is little nmt in there and mostly pure dmt? I have read that people say the nmt does not allow for the full breakthrough experience one recieves from Mimosa extracts..I have been reading up on Acacia teks and they are getting very white pure stuff just want to make sure its as good as mimosa..PEACE AND LOVE.

 

[Earthwalker]

I have a quick off topic question about Acacia. If extractions are done correctly and white fluffy crystals are produced is it safe to say there is little nmt in there and mostly pure dmt? I have read that people say the nmt does not allow for the full breakthrough experience one recieves from Mimosa extracts..I have been reading up on Acacia teks and they are getting very white pure stuff just want to make sure its as good as mimosa..PEACE AND LOVE.

I've never tried mimosa but the ppl getting white fluffy crystals are more then like doing a mini ab on the combined pulls , as in my TEK in my above comment , now I've smoked both goo and crystal and IMO the only differance is the speed you're vacuumed into hyperspace the goo really does blacken you're third eye but once there it's the same experience ! :surprised

 

[bacacio]

HCl with ACRB is IMO a fantastic pairing , I used it once through a recommendation from Traveling Tommy ( haven't seen in ages ) but I have never gone back and I think my result speak for them selves ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus , but I can't speak for other species of acacia but I can't see why there'd be a differance !

Hcl with acrb seem to go fine together then . The issue with some other species of acacia i.e a. obtusifolia is that besides DMT and other better known alkaloids there are/might be numerous alkaloids, of which many are unknown, that do/might form strange, unwanted reactions with hcl. There have been reports about it.

That's also why one shouldn't mix different species of acacia with one another, in order to experience/learn about those differences and get to know the very own spirit of that species

I think I will try to salt everything with a different acid like citric acid. Then boil the solution down, in order to release remaining cl- from the solution, filter everything after that, base with naoh and see whether I get the same massive precipitation as before => won't be able to efficiently magnetically stir the solution in order to pull the goodies (if all looks better, might dcm be problematic because of the chloride?).

other ideas?

cheers,

 

[Entheogenerator]

I am not a person who is formally educated in chemistry, but if I'm not mistaken HCl + NaOH = NaCL (common table salt).

 

[Moonshine]

Earthwalker, What do you mean it "blackens" your third eye? This sounds scary!! I personally have only had pure dmt from mimosa so I'd love to learn about this experience your getting from acacia? Anyone tried both? Maybe they can chime in..

 

[acacian]

i can't believe you'd mix all the extracts together! :shock: what about experiencing all the different effects of each one?!

 

[acacian]

I have a quick off topic question about Acacia. If extractions are done correctly and white fluffy crystals are produced is it safe to say there is little nmt in there and mostly pure dmt? I have read that people say the nmt does not allow for the full breakthrough experience one recieves from Mimosa extracts..I have been reading up on Acacia teks and they are getting very white pure stuff just want to make sure its as good as mimosa..PEACE AND LOVE.

this is not true.. you just need a higher dose. since nmt often makes up half of the alkaloid extract (though less i imagine with the fluffy crystaline extracts) it means you need to smoke a lot more extract to get your 30+mg breakthrough dose of dmt. the nmt adds to the headspace in a really interesting way.. its just different to smoking pure dmt though

 

[Earthwalker]

Earthwalker, What do you mean it "blackens" your third eye? This sounds scary!! I personally have only had pure dmt from mimosa so I'd love to learn about this experience your getting from acacia? Anyone tried both? Maybe they can chime in..

It's just a saying I picked up on the nexus somewhere ! Meaning it will pack quite a punch to you're pineal glande ( third eye ) lol it really does act quickly !

 

[Moonshine]

Thanks for your input Acacia. I've heard dry ice is a good way to separate the nmt from dmt. Can anyone point out a helpful tek for doing this? I'm trying to get pure dmt from acacia because mimosa is very hard to find these days.

 

[arcologist]

Not a 'tek', but this thread documents the process for NMT/DMT separation with dry ice. Just dissolve freebase DMT in naphtha or xylene and add small pieces of dry ice until nothing more precipitates. Warm the solvent to room temperature to redissolve DMT and then pour off the NMT-free solvent to free precipitate.

 

[Earthwalker]

Thanks for your input Acacia. I've heard dry ice is a good way to separate the nmt from dmt. Can anyone point out a helpful tek for doing this? I'm trying to get pure dmt from acacia because mimosa is very hard to find these days.

Also try this moonshine ! ACRB TEK 100g "PICS" (Newbie Friendly) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Moonshine]

Thanks for the advice much appreciated!

 

[Moonshine]

Please correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a recrystalization with heptane do the same thing? Everytime I have a yellowish extracts from mimosa I just recrystalize and get pure white fluff. Perhaps the dry ice method is needed because nmt will not separate as easily from dmt by just recrystalizing?? Thanks again !!

 

[bacacio]

i can't believe you'd mix all the extracts together! :shock: what about experiencing all the different effects of each one?!

Indeed I can't believe it myself I guess it was due to a logistic thought, because I had different unfinished extractions and wanted to make myself less work. If I remember correctly I planned a zinc reduction. In the end I got more work, got a mess :x

That will be indeed the interesting part about working with different plants/acacia species: Their unique effects. So, no mixing ;-)

@acacian: How would you go on with my situation with the massive, strange precipitations?