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Spiced

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Hi, i have another queston. :d
When you do a extraction with Naptha, NaOH, and Amoniak, all products that you really don't want to inhale, how much of all these products is left in the end product (DMT)?

And if there is anything of these carcinogenic substances left, how can i completely exclude them from the endproduct?
 
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If you do a proper extraction and clean the spice to transparent x tals practically NONE. The solvent should be 100% gone and if it was clean to start leaves nothing behind.

I would guess trace amounts of lye but it wont vaporize with your spice so you will not inhale any if you do a good extraction.

PEACE
MV
 
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Hi there are few purification methods you can apply i just know 2 of them.. but i really dont know how much they are effective to be honest, some people i asked from this forum told me doesnt worth bothering for real... and how much impurities or carcinogenics stay in your end product may vary from type or brand of your solvent to the amount of NaOH used for the extraction.. for STB more NaOH is more yield but also more impurities... i have been told 2 purification methods one of them is activated charcoal + IPA , and the other one is 10% amonia wash.. for charcoal+IPA heres what you have to do :

-for every gram of product you will purify, you will add around 200mg activated charcoal and 20ml IPA in a container with your product, let it sit in a warm place containers lid closed for a day (10-20 hours may be), then filter the mixture through a paper filter or coffee filter into another container and pour a little more IPA through the filter to clean if theres anything left on paper, and let that containers top open to evaporate

but be warned this method may cause to loose some stuff from your yield.. not much tho... if you have a chance choosing a gud brand of solvent and using the optimum amount of NaOH will be enough i guess
 
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Ok, thanks a lot guys! :d

I'm gonna do a Nomans extraction this afternoon, i will make pictures while doing so, and post the results here tomorrow, if i finnish succesfully, if not i really hope to find some help on this forum.

I was also planning to use the amonia wash, but the guide mentioned that it can go wrong, i assume that this means the DMT can be destroyed, so is there really a need to do this wash, or can i just leave it like it is and still have a safe extract?

I also don't have a clue how dangerous it is to smoke the endproduct, i will follow all steps mentioned in the Nomans guide, so the quality will depend mostly on how good i will follow those guidelines, but i'm still a little worried about my health, i like DMT, and i like to smoke it regularly, but i don't want to destroy my health while doing so ofcoarse, that's why i'm a bit worried and ask all of this. :)
 
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If you really want success with this tek, you won't be posting pictures tomorrow. I highly suggest letting the bark soak for 2-3 days before doing your first pull. The difference in yield is very noticable. Then you want to leave it for another 2 days in between pullls, that is if you want to be very thorough. Try not to use more than 50 ml of solvent per pull. Having to evap this stuff before you freeze it is a pain which can be easily avoided with the steps mentioned above. I think there are a lot of folk who mix there lye/water/bark mix for an hour, swirl in 200ml of naphtha then put it in the freezer and wonder why nothing has precipitated 2 days later.

Don't do the ammonia wash... silly silly silly. If you're that concerned about purity, do a recrystalisation. But there's nothing wrong with yellow spice. I actually find it to be a cleaner and more forgiving experience than white spice, but each to there own.

As long as you leave the DMT to dry off of all naphtha thoroughly before smoking it the end product with have no lasting effects on your health. Just be careful when handling lye and don't inhale your naphtha, then you shall be fine.:)
 
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-for every gram of product you will purify, you will add around 200mg activated charcoal and 20ml IPA in a container with your product, let it sit in a warm place containers lid closed for a day (10-20 hours may be), then filter the mixture through a paper filter or coffee filter into another container and pour a little more IPA through the filter to clean if theres anything left on paper, and let that containers top open to evaporate



Humm Thats a lot of charcoal you will most likely lose a good amount of spice. I use maybe 20 to 50mg per gram added in 10mg increments once the solvent is clear thats enough charcoal. That my tek charcoal is great for colored impurities once the solvent is clear your good to go. Then you can re xttal 3times and get a VERY clean result.

PEACE
MV
 
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MagikVenom said:
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Humm Thats a lot of charcoal you will most likely lose a good amount of spice. I use maybe 20 to 50mg per gram added in 10mg increments once the solvent is clear thats enough charcoal. That my tek charcoal is great for colored impurities once the solvent is clear your good to go. Then you can re xttal 3times and get a VERY clean result.
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hmmm i see thanks for the tip using lower amount sounds more logical.. its gud to find someone who experimented the amount.. thank you :)
 
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As people say, a well made extraction should leave negligible impurities... I would say the biggest danger is breathing in solvent vapors, specially if you use xylene/toluene, during the extraction. I would really avoid these two solvents. Go for naphtha/hexane/heptane or similar, and let the crystals properly dry before using them.

NaOH is not carcinogenic, and shouldnt be in your final product.. In any case one can do a sodium carbonate wash (DONT DO AMMONIA WASH! Many people lose dmt with it) before evaporating/freeze precipitating the solvent, so this would get rid of any possible remains of it.. Also as said above, even if NaOH is in the final product it does not vaporize at temperatures reached by the lighter... If you're still worried, smoke using a water bong, and then any possible NaOH solid residues will stop at the water and not reach your mouth.

You can also research into the limonene tek, which will diminish even more the health risks (which are already nearly inexistent if you take care during extraction) :)
 
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corridors of my cells said:
MagikVenom said:
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Humm Thats a lot of charcoal you will most likely lose a good amount of spice. I use maybe 20 to 50mg per gram added in 10mg increments once the solvent is clear thats enough charcoal. That my tek charcoal is great for colored impurities once the solvent is clear your good to go. Then you can re xttal 3times and get a VERY clean result.
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hmmm i see thanks for the tip using lower amount sounds more logical.. its gud to find someone who experimented the amount.. thank you :)
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Yes I did one experiment with 250mg spice and 400mg charcoal then evaporated the solvent(naptha) there was nothing but a residue remained the charcoal sucked EVERYTHING out of the solvent.

I am not fool proof and do make mistakes but most of the time if I say it works for me you can bet your last dollar that yes I have done the experiment. :)

Happy extracting to you

PEACE
MV
 
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Thanks so much for the help people! :d
I feel much more confident now, this will be my first extraction ever, before i had to buy the spice, but people are asking way too much money, so it's much more interesting for several reasons to do it myself.

Is it allowed to post pictures of my first try, and ask for support if needed?
If it is, i will open a new thread this afternoon while i'm at it.
You people are great, thanks. :)
 
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Spiced said:
Thanks so much for the help people! :d
I feel much more confident now, this will be my first extraction ever, before i had to buy the spice, but people are asking way too much money, so it's much more interesting for several reasons to do it myself.

Is it allowed to post pictures of my first try, and ask for support if needed?
If it is, i will open a new thread this afternoon while i'm at it.
You people are great, thanks. :)
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lol :) yes sure you can start a thread and just post the pics there :p... SWIM will be waitin for ur pics :) ehehe
 
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I have a health question and after an hour of searching the interwebs i found this may be the best/only place i can get an answer.

I use DMT infrequently (about 1 or 2 times a month) and after my last trip i went on a 5 day MDMA binge and consumed over the course of that time about 3 grams of very pure MDMA crystals (yes i tested it, turned dark purple INSTANTLY).

This morning, about 56 hours after i consumed the last of the MDMA I began to get these massive, disorienting headaches. It was similar to rolling in that i would experience a distortion/vibration of vision exactly like rolling but I would feel very panicked. It feels like there is something seriously wrong during the head rush like my brain is out of synch with my body and im breaking down. It lasts about 2-5 seconds and then i feel normal again.

However these extremely intense head rushes have been increasing in regularity and i now get one every 30-60 minutes. I also get one when i drink water too quickly (for example more than 3 sips in a row). I can also self induce this head rush by simply closing my nose and mouth and attempting to breathe out (in other words, forcing blood to rush to my head).

These head rushes are not a pleasant experience in any way. They seem to be getting worse and have a strong out of body feel to them. Each time I feel like im pulling farther and farther away. I must admit im a little scared.

Has ANYONE ever had something like this happen to them? And even if you havn't anyone have any advice, information or theories that may help or shed some light on my situation. I'd certainly appreciate it.

Obviously I will seek medical attention if this is still ocurring once i have access to my doctor.

*Edit* i guess i should add as these are getting worse im also now getting auditory hallucinations very similar to the ones you get on AL-LAD an LSD anologue psychodelic.
 
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3g of mdma in 5 days...is ridiculous :surprised
I would be tempted to get yourself to A&E, pronto.

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Mdma toxicity is no joke.
 
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