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cosmiccharlie

cosmiccharlie

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Hello All,
I just wanted to introduce myself and pose a quick question. I’m new to DMT. I have never vaped or ingested it. I did, however, just complete my first extraction. (More on that in a moment.)
I’ve been drawn to Ayahuasca for a number of years since watching a few documentaries. I’ve never been offered DMT and I haven’t had the funds to travel to Peru to participate in ceremony. I found myself here at Nexus after some Google searches.
The threads on pharahuasca caught my attention. After some reading, I procured some powdered ACRB as well as some harmala / harmaline from Syrian Rue.
I just completed an A/B extraction of 125g of ACRB. After 2 pulls I precipitated and recovered roughly 1.1g of light pink / tan (salmon?) crystals. (.80 and .30 respectively) They are slightly waxy but not very much. The third pull rendered gunk.
Anyhow, here’s my question: How much should I take? I believe that ACRB contains a little over 1% DMT, therefore it’s highly unlikely that I’ve extracted pure DMT. I’ve read the threads on dosing but I’m assuming that those figures are for something closer to pure DMT freebase.
I’ve never taken DMT and I want to tread lightly and go slowly. I’d appreciate any insight. I realize that these questions may have been answered previously so I apologize for that. However, since it’s my first experience – I’m looking for a little personal input.
Thank you all who have contributed to this site. It’s got a tremendous amount of great info. I never would have embarked on this journey without those contributions.
Thanks!
 
Welcome to the nexus friend.

Thanks for the introduction, but I think you left out some key information. Like do you have any experience at all with entheogens. Do you understand why it's a good idea to have a trusted sitter, and a good set and setting and correct mindset. A pharmauasca trip will last considerably longer than a vaped trip. You can still tread lightly vaping by starting with a low mg dose (5-10mg) or you could go the changa route utilizing your harmala alkaloids which will slow the trip down some and prolong it a bit. Unless of course you're hell bent on the pharma method.

Anyway welcome again, and there is a whole section on pharma I encourage you read all you can.
When the time comes, safe and happy journeys :thumb_up:

Peace
 
Thanks for the welcome! I appreciate the reply and I did leave out some important info.
I do have a little experience with entheogens; I’ve participated in a St. Pedro ceremony, taken psilocybin, mescaline, LSD and MDMA each a half a dozen times or so. Tried salvia but it didn’t do a thing.
As far as having a sitter goes, I believe that I understand the importance. I’m not hell bent on pharmauasca. The idea of an ayahuasca analogue without the same purge just appealed to me and the sudden onset of vaping sounded a little intense.
Thanks again. I’ll keep reading.
 
Hi cosmiccharlie and welcome to the Nexus!

The pink colour may be due to rust inhibitors in your solvent. Have you done an evap test to make sure it's safe to use? I remember Coleman's naphtha used to be notorious for weird coloured spice.
 
Hello and welcome to the Nexus!

For pharma, especially for a first timer, I would recommend going higher on the harmalas and keep the DMT low. With each new journey you could increase the DMT dosage until you get to where you want to go intensity wise. I'll link my pharma report for you which also includes a "MAOI pre-dose." That will make more sense if you read the report and the link found within.

Halfway Between "Here" and "There" (Pharma report with MAOI pre-dose)

As for your salmon colored spice, I concur with DoingKermit and there is a really good thread on the colors of spice and what they tend to mean found here:

IMPORTANT: spice color purity fallacy AKA is your dmt ok to smoke ?

I hope this helps! Have a nice day!

-The Grateful One-
 
Thanks for the help!

Fwiw, I used 'Kleen Strip' brand VM&P Naphtha. I will read up and evap some overnight to see if there is any residue.

As far as dose goes... I was thinking 250 mgs of the harmine / harmala and maybe 80 mgs of spice.
Any thoughts?

I appreciate the insight.
 
cosmiccharlie said:
Thanks for the help!

Fwiw, I used 'Kleen Strip' brand VM&P Naphtha. I will read up and evap some overnight to see if there is any residue.

As far as dose goes... I was thinking 250 mgs of the harmine / harmala and maybe 80 mgs of spice.
Any thoughts?

I appreciate the insight.
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No problem!

Well, everyone is different but 80mg is right around where I did my first few Pharma journeys give or take a few mg. DMT in general is a unique beast. 80mg may be overwhelming or underwhelming at times, and each time will be different so it is hard to say with any kind of certainty. The harmala dosage should be plenty but again, experimenting with how it affects you is paramount. I would even suggest taking some on its own first to see what that is like, as it is psychedelic all by itself in the right amounts.

Some claim that you may need more than 100mg DMT to really get it going but I would not recommend that for a first time experience, regardless of previous psychedelic usage. It is difficult to prepare for DMT but, IMO, it is always worth it in the end.

Also, keep in mind that you may still purge even with Pharma. The idea behind the pre-dose method I linked above is to help limit the nausea. Anywho, you won't truly know any answers until you try!

😉 😉

Good luck friend, and keep us posted!
 
I thought that I'd follow up and post a bit about my first experience. I certainly don't have the vocabulary to describe what transpired but here's an attempt:

Yesterday at round 5:00 I set up an alter. I lit a candle and smudged the area with a little white sage to clear the area that I’d set up for the ceremony.

Sunset was at 5:22. I rang my singing bowl, asked for guidance and stated my intention.

At 5:45 I measured out 250 mg of the harmalas and mixed with a few ounces of orange juice and a splash of lime juice. (The acids help to activate them.) I drank the mixture down . It tasted a little funny, maybe sour and bitter, but it wasn’t bad.

At 5:55 I measure out 80 mg of DMT and repeated the process – allowing the MAOIs to get a little bit of a head start.

I turned on a ‘sounds of the rainforest’ sound track, turned on some other ‘electric’ candles and out all the lights then laid down on the living room floor and stared at the tongue and grove A frame ceiling that comes to an apex directly above.

~ 6:15 While I had a fair amount of apprehension about what I’d gotten myself into – I felt a bit of relaxation come over me Perhaps this was the MAOIs starting to take affect. I would periodically close my eyes to see if I’d experience any closed eye visuals. (CEVs)
At first there were a few fleeting bright colors that would quickly dissipate and weren’t visible with eyes open. I’m wondering if what I’ve extracted will actually work.

6:25 these CEVs turned from flashes of color into elaborate geometric technicolor shapes and patterns. They were moving and changing too rapidly to discern.

6:35 the CEV patterns became OEV patterns that decorated the ceiling and walls... dancing, whirling, and shifting in the most beautiful way. Somehow it felt familiar, safe and beautiful. I looked outside and the moonlight (just a few days from being full) lit up the snow-covered mountains and pines. The snow sparkled and glistened. The beauty and warmth from the moon and twinkling stars was beyond description. This immense beauty had been here all along but I’ve been so stuck in my head that I can’t remember the last time I’d looked up at the night’s sky and just stood there – completely awestruck. I’d truly stepped into the most magic place. I was overflowing with a sense of gratitude and gave thanks for everything surrounding me.

Nothing could have prepared me for this experience.

By 6:45 – although the time line gets a little fuzzy here – the visuals intensified more and more. While I never completely lost connection with my body or sense of self, material reality gave way to a rainbow colored matrix of energy. My body, the chair that I sat on, the floor, out the window and the stars were all an electrified and interconnected lattice. It was incredible.

Perhaps around 7:00 a voice within asked if I was ready to see some things about my life. I gave my consent. The words “My drinking” pop into my awareness. I immediately felt a sense of nausea and dread overcame me. I grabbed the bucket next to me and began dry heaving.
The previously beautiful rainbow grid began to get very distorted and I became very uncomfortable and disoriented. I wanted it to stop. I wasn’t ready for this. I was shown how beautiful life is and how far my stuck patterns of behavior and thinking are preventing me from experiencing the joy of life.

7:20 I was given a respite from this suffering and I became aware of my surroundings and the electric glow of absolutely everything. I said to myself “It’s got to be 7:20” I sat up to look at the clock. In that instant it turned from 7:19 to 7:20. Time seemed to be passing at an extremely slow rate – if at all.

7:20 – 8:20 Somewhere in this timeframe I believe that the experience peaked. It’s hard to say as it would come up in waves – cycling from fear, terror, and disorientation to glistening, sparkly, magical beauty that inspired awe and overwhelming gratitude.
I was shown the many opportunities that I have to make things right in my life and to change lifelong dysfunctional patterns that no longer serve me or those around me. The nausea has subsided for the most part.

8:25 – 9:00 The nausea has subsided but I begin to wonder if this experience will ever stop. I want it to stop. I swear that I will never do this again. This feels like a really long time to be in this place. I become aware that my suffering is merely the contents of my subconscious.

9:10 – I’m feeling tired. I lie back down and feel a sense of release and relief. I’m thankful for the little things. The pillow under my head. The couch. The beauty of everything and the opportunity to have this experience.

10:00 - I drink some juice, eat a handful of and go to sleep.

Today I feel wonderful and alive. I went to the coffee shop for breakfast. The girl at the counter is beautiful, warm and friendly. She’s in school. We talk for a few minutes about her life while my latte is being made. I feel this amazing warm connection to her. An appreciation for
how kind and beautiful of a soul she has. It’s not a sexual thing. She just sparkles. I never would have noticed this before. I’d have been too busy wrapped up in the dark cloud of my monkey mind. This sense of wonder and a feeling of a radiant glow has continued throughout the day. Will it last? I have no idea but I am enjoying it today. In the past when I’ve tripped on lsd or mushrooms or peyote, I’ve always felt like an empty banana peel the day after. Today I am appreciative of people and things for who and what they are in this moment. Life is a wondrous gift and it’s easy to fritter away on things that don’t matter.
 
Just read that report. That sounds like a good dose of pharma all right. :thumb_up:

Pharma when it's sufficient can blow the doors clean off. Really beautiful stuff. The cycles of terror, deep multi-faceted introspection, impossible beauty, terror, etc.. I know that cycle all too well, especially wondering "oh no, is this ever going to stop..?!". :shock:

Pharma is certainly unique in it's beauty and power. There's no words that can encompass the enormity of that type of experience when you get it right.

Sounds like you were served the main dish. :d

Thanks for sharing.
 
That's an awesome trip report! That seems like a pretty high dose of the rue in my opinion, I weigh 220lb and it only takes about 180mg to get me good. I highly recommend you try changa, you already have the ingredients and its easy to make. I like it because it eases you into the trip slower than freebase dmt and you can stay there as long as you want by simply taking another hit.
 
Tattvamasi, you're absolutely right. There are no words to describe the enormity of the experience.
Well said.

Ultra - I weigh 230+ lbs. I don't know if that makes a difference. I'm certainly interested in learning more about how increasing / decreasing the amounts of harmalas and spice affect the trip.

I'm also interested in learning about how to make changa too. I went to the headshop yesterday but I concluded that I needed to come back here and read up on both changa and vaping.

I'm not sure that I completely understand the differences in the experience between the two.
I don't think that I'm ready to get instantaneously blasted into hyperspace. Then again, I doubt anybody could prepare for that either.
 
The nice thing about changa is that you don't have to blast into hyperspace super fast if you don't want to. You can slowly take puffs on a bowl of changa over however much time you prefer to ease into the space, and then once you're ready for the blast off, just take a couple of big hits in a row. And you also are able to spend more time in that space versus freebase dmt so it doesn't seem so chaotic.
 
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