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Hello everybody!

I'm new to the Forum, but have been reading for a long time with you. So, here a first question of SWIM.

After almost half a year of informing, reading, preparation, thinking... SWIM makes himself ready to prepare his first extraction. SWIM ordered some MHRB. I think this shouldnt be a problem of legality. He lives in the middle of europe.

So, SWIM decided to try the first time with STB Extraction, so he bought distilled water and NaOH for the lye, which shouldnt be a problem. The biggest problem he has, is the Naphtha. It's almost impossible to find pure Naphtha here in "middle europe", except if he'd go straight to a refinery (what i think he already did, but i don't think they will give it to him)

So he's desperatly searching for another solvent then Naphtha... he read that chloroform or ether works fine. But these two chemicals are very difficult to get around here.
He also read about the Zippo Lighter Fluid, but it is not a very clean solvent right?

I hope he finds some answers here. Thanks from him for offering this great platform! This is what it needs to bring the right consciousness to psychonauts.

Nice to meet you all and i hope he can soon share his first extraction-experience with all of you!

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P.S. Sorry for any grammar and expression mistakes ;)
 
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Acetone is a no-no for STB. It will mix with the water and you will not be able to seperate it.

Zippo lighter fluid will work, but yes, it is a dirty solvent, you should freeze precipitate not evaporate if you end up using this...otherwise you will be smoking some rather unpleasant impurities.

White Spirits are what a lot of people from the EU are using, can you get that? What about Hexane or Heptane?

Xylene and toulene are two others that people use, but it pulls alot more out than just the DMT and you cannot freeze precipitate it.


What solvents DO you have access to? If you give us a list we might be able to help you out.

You really don't need to use distilled water, but it can't hurt. I always use water straight from the tap.

Welcome to the Nexus!
 
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That's the problem. SWIM actually doesn't know what solvents else he has available. Since he'svdecided to try his first extraction,i'm searching the internet for naphtha, chloroform or ether for him. So, it's kind of a problem to SWIM.
That's why he needs to find out, what else solvents work fine with the STB and doesnt ruin his mixture. He's searching now for the other possibilities you mentioned, thank you very much.

As SWIM saw before: White Spirit = benzol? or is it kind of a terpentine replacement?

How about aerosol? Would that work fine?
 
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What about DiChloroMethane, AKA: DCM. In america it is available at hardware stores as a paint stripper. If you want just pure white spice, your options are naptha or heptane/hexane. heptane is a rubber cement remover, possibly available at some art stores. If you must, there are a myriad of things that pull all the alkoloids, but you can't freeze precip with these solvents, you must evap. You could use Chloroform, DCM, Xylene, or d-limonene. I just woke up so there are probably others too.
 
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ok, it looks like he found paint strippers available around here. But he can't see how clean they are. How many % does he need at least of DCM in the paint stripper to have a successful extraction? he will check out the painters store tomorrow and see how much it has in it.
 
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go to hardware stores or paint stores, look in the paint solvent/thinner section, read the labels (dont look too suspicious of course).. then report back and we'll try to help you... Be patient, dont buy something and hastily do the extraction before making sure its good solvent.


Indeed SWIM has also found a problem finding pure naphtha in europe.. I heard in germany they have it, if im not mistaken its called washbenzin or something of the kind.

and welcome :)
 
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endlessness said:
I heard in germany they have it, if im not mistaken its called washbenzin or something of the kind.

and welcome :)
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I think you just passed SWIM over the clue to this riddle :) thanks... Waschbenzin


Edit: SWIM found an easy source for Petrolether, which boils from 35°-85°... can he work with that or is this stuff too dangerous?
 
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HappyCamper said:
I'm surprised noone has mentioned d-limonene.
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You shouldn't be, getting a smokable form of dmt from d-limonene in a wet stb would be a pretty troublesome process.
You'll need a few more materials and might as well just go with a dry stb since you'll have the necessary materials.
 
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Nobody answered to my question to petrolether... does it work fine with that? SWIM can get alot of this on a normal way, so it would be great if that works with the STB extraction :)

Thanks for the help and cheers

Edit: SWIM is really happy to be able to talk to you through me.
 
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obliguhl said:
naphta=Petrolether

You could also try medical supply services. They should propably carry "Wundbenzin/Waschbenzin" for medical washings.
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Yap, that's what SWIM's going to do now. He should be able to buy "Wundbenzin" in local pharmacies. Maybe SWIM won't get a big ammount, but when he checks out several stores, i think he can fulfill his needs ;)

Naphtha = petrolether!! ahh SWIM now understands.
 
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I think you should be able to buy waschbenzin in your local supermarket. In The Netherlands you can buy it in the supermarket and the drugstore (what's in a name :roll:). It's widely available and works pretty good.

Before using it you should test for impurities by evaporating a small amount, if it leaves no residue then it's good to use.
 
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Contact said:
Nobody answered to my question to petrolether... does it work fine with that? I can get alot of this on a normal way, so it would be great if that works with the STB extraction :)

Thanks for the help and cheers

Edit: Another question regarding the "SWIM" ... do you use this term when you don't want to tell that it is you, or do you really use it for somebody else. Could there be any problems when i speak of myself regarding DMT and Extractions?
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Petroether is exactly what you want. It is essentially Naphtha!

As far as the SWIM thing...it started on some drug forums that required their members to never incriminate themselves...so they would use SWIM (someone who isnt me)or would say "my pet gerbil", or "my lab rats..." It was a way to cover the forum's butt in court for aiding in illegal activities or something.

It provides the user NO LEGAL PROTECTION. Be safe, don't post pictures of yourself and drugs, don't youtube yourself smoking spice, weed, or any drugs for that matter. As far as SWIM, I have not yet heard of one case where using it would have prevented someone from getting in trouble. If the police are using your internet posts as evidence, you are already on their radar and are probably screwed.

I don't use SWIM, I just put a little disclaimer in my signature....look at the bottom of any of my posts and you will get the idea.
 
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Ahhh cool, thanks for the explanation. SWIM really needs to protect himself. He's very paranoid as i know him. I think SWIM also is scared of getting the police to his house only by ordering MHRB and NaOH from other countries to his home (which actually isn't an illegal act, but if they're stalking him, they know what it is for)

Did anyone ever had bad experiences with ordering the ingridients for extraction and then have a visit of the cops?

SWIM loves to enter the hyperspace... but is scared of the executive. :shock:
 
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Did anyone ever had bad experiences with ordering the ingridients for extraction and then have a visit of the cops?
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Nope. THis does not mean that it could not happens, but I guess that cops have other more important things to do than checking small amounts of NAOh for soap making or small packets that smells nothing special.
 
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