Help make Q21Q21's Tek better.

[q21q21]

So SWIM believes he has exhausted his ability to imagine what someone who has never done the tek before would be thinking while reading it.

Because of that SWIM requests help from the nursery members (though not exclusively, mainly) to get some perspective on the tek's clarity.

SWIM is aware that the tek is "bulky" to some so the focus (once again, mainly not exclusively) is not to add loads of clarifications and intermediate steps but alter wording or moving information around to make more sense.

So the basic request is of the nursery members, the newer the better in some cases.

Q21Q21's Tek

1: Read the tek (either Intro and Tek 1, Intro and Tek 2 or full Tek) with a paper/notepad document ready
2: On the first read-through note where any confusion occurred.
3: Once done the first read-through. Note whether the confusion was from:
1.Missing information
2.Assumption of knowledge which is explained later
3.Other
4: Re-read the tek and:
Make sure said missing information is actually missing and if it is suggest placement for it.
Think of a resolution to the confusion in Assumption/Other issues.
5: Post Step 4 notes in this thread.

SWIM remembers the first time he read some teks despite their simplicity he was very confused, it is likely not possible to alleviate all confusion over the tek for a first timer but to get as close to that as possible is the goal.

Thanks.

 

[tele]

One thing that might seem to confuse the novices is how long one has to freebase the MHRB/lime mix(white DMT tek), you definately should add that info. On another board you clarified:

~10-15 minutes for at least 60-70% of the DMT to be freebased.
Within 1 hour 80-90% is freebased
The final 10-20% is freebased within a 24-48 hours.

So I would suggest adding that to your tek!

Otherwise I would say your white DMT tek is perfectly clear and works like a dream! I don't know how can the best be done better... Deep thanks

Another thing you might want to mention is the recommendation of using glass or metal bowls for mixing, as normal quality "food grade" plastic bowl gave this bad result(problem was corrected with use of glass bowl):

Please help: White "floaters" after dissolving crystals in Acetone - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Here's also a link to some tips for researching the tek:

Here's some tips for q21q21's white DMT tek - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[blueskine]

In both tek 1+2 think about adding a sodium carbonate solution wash of the non-polar solvents after the pull, SWIM has found them to really improve final product.

Second, add what temp is good to get to with the naphtha. Also in other post they talk about progressively doing warmer pulls to make sure everything is pulled. Personally not real familiar, but might be worth adding.

Lastly, running into oxides SWIM found after sticking the naphtha in the freezer for about an hour the oxide precipitate out and you can pour the naphtha into another container and leave in the freezer, while, drying the oxide for something else.

 

[q21q21]

~10-15 minutes for at least 60-70% of the DMT to be freebased.
Within 1 hour 80-90% is freebased
The final 10-20% is freebased within a 24-48 hours.

Here's also a link to some tips for researching the tek:

Here's some tips for q21q21's white DMT tek - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

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The time needed for the reaction added in a (large) note at the beginning of Non-Polar Wash

Chronic's drying tip added as Note 2: on Basification

In both tek 1+2 think about adding a sodium carbonate solution wash of the non-polar solvents after the pull, SWIM has found them to really improve final product.

Second, add what temp is good to get to with the naphtha. Also in other post they talk about progressively doing warmer pulls to make sure everything is pulled. Personally not real familiar, but might be worth adding.

Lastly, running into oxides SWIM found after sticking the naphtha in the freezer for about an hour the oxide precipitate out and you can pour the naphtha into another container and leave in the freezer, while, drying the oxide for something else.

SWIM has always gotten pure-white DMT without a sodium carbonate wash and even in his STB experiments did not see any positive results from it. Thanks but this won't be added.

Started writing the other tip in but it seems like an advanced step which is more suited for the a re-x in SWIM's opinion, thanks again but this won't be added.

Big thanks again for the whole acetate + heat = freebase though. At the very bottom your contribution is mentioned (always has been).

 

[Swarupa]

In both tek 1+2 think about adding a sodium carbonate solution wash of the non-polar solvents after the pull, SWIM has found them to really improve final product.

How so? I get pure white DMT with no wash... are you talking about using limonene?
I only do one re-X (if at all) and it's crystals clear shards all the way...

 

[ubu]

Hello q21q21,

You mention "this is a STIRRING tek instead of a SHAKING tek". I'd like to mention I'm shaking the mixture during all steps, using a closed jar, and having great success with no emulsion forming. I've found the closed jar make the process significantly easier.

 

[Swarupa]

Hello q21q21,

You mention "this is a STIRRING tek instead of a SHAKING tek". I'd like to mention I'm shaking the mixture during all steps, using a closed jar, and having great success with no emulsion forming. I've found the closed jar make the process significantly easier.

dD you find your mix quite wet or very dry?
Im assuming its one of the two considering you can shake it in a jar & have it move

The consistency described in the tek is a sticky mud, not something you could effectively shake in a jar imo, i dry mine out further & get it very dry & crumbly before adding solvent, this could work in a jar well, although you can just gently swirl the solvent through the mix & get just as much DMT out of it

 

[tele]

In the basification step 3a is mentioned:

add some tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the water be boiling to add some heat into the mix?
In that case I'd modify it to:

"add some boiling tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time"

 

[q21q21]

In the basification step 3a is mentioned:

add some tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the water be boiling to add some heat into the mix?
In that case I'd modify it to:

"add some boiling tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time"

not really necessary due to several reasons:
1: there is it will only be TINY TINY splashes of water if anything, won't really matter.
2: residual heat from the initial boiling water will be enough he
3: jury is still out whether heat is needed or helps AT ALL.

 

[Swarupa]

SWIM is aware that the tek is "bulky" to some so the focus (once again, mainly not exclusively) is not to add loads of clarifications and intermediate steps but alter wording or moving information around to make more sense.

Good idea, the tek is best kept simple.

I think the tek as you have updated is fine, although you could probably use less information to show how simple it really is, ever since i have posted my extractions in the a/b forum i've had quite a few people PMing me about it.

 

[tele]

In the basification step 3a is mentioned:

add some tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time

Correct me if I'm wrong but shouldn't the water be boiling to add some heat into the mix?
In that case I'd modify it to:

"add some boiling tap water a TINY TINY splash at a time"

not really necessary due to several reasons:
1: there is it will only be TINY TINY splashes of water if anything, won't really matter.
2: residual heat from the initial boiling water will be enough he
3: jury is still out whether heat is needed or helps AT ALL.

OK sounds good. Let us know later on if the jury gets to a conclusion if it's needed.

 

[q21q21]

SWIM's just ordered some d-limonene and peppermint terpenes for a couple tests.

 

[SpiralNeuroEclipse]

hey Q a good test to perform, which i cant perform at the moment but i can help you out if its still in need, in say about a month, is the stated solvent volumes for tek 1. My thinking is that scince limo's a tad bit on the expensive side, it would be good to do some experimentation on how the stated volumes could be reduced.

For example, the blab tek uses 500 ml, @ 100ml a pull. I dont know if the reduced volume is a result of the efficiency of NPS in an aqueous pull vs. a drytek pull, or if its the amount of time exposed etc. But i think that its prob a good idea to increase # of fresh solvent pulls vs. increasing solvent volume, i.e instead of 3 250 ml pulls, 5 150 ml pulls w/ fresh solvent... I can help you out with these tests, as i was planning on ordering limo soon, but it may me a little bit of time...

I can come up with more suggestions/experiments as i really like your tek, but im really tired so i cant really think right now :d

 

[mumbles]

The purpose of the sodium carbionate wash is to remove any residual NaOH, not to make it look pretty . If you want to do things properly don't omit this step, colour isn't the perfect indicator of purity and especially white impurities. More pulls always nerts higher yields than the same volume in less portions.

 

[Swarupa]

There is no NaOH in this tek :?:

 

[Myco]

Q21Q21,
Is anyone still test-evaporating their non-polar solvents when they're are just salting out the spice at the end?
Would you still recommend test-evaporating even if using d-limonene?

I'd love to hear experienced opinions on this, and perhaps that would be something to add.

 

[q21q21]

Q21Q21,
Is anyone still test-evaporating their non-polar solvents when they're are just salting out the spice at the end?
Would you still recommend test-evaporating even if using d-limonene?

I'd love to hear experienced opinions on this, and perhaps that would be something to add.

evaporating is not-recommended.
See this thread

 

[Myco]

Q21Q21,
Is anyone still test-evaporating their non-polar solvents when they're are just salting out the spice at the end?
Would you still recommend test-evaporating even if using d-limonene?

I'd love to hear experienced opinions on this, and perhaps that would be something to add.

evaporating is not-recommended.
See this thread

Thanks for your reply, but I should have clarified a little better; Iam talking about evaporating some of the solvent before you extract anything just to see if the solvent, all by itself, evaps cleanly.

:?:

 

[neverwas]

Hey I had a question. I've performed this tek twice before with awesome results but want to do something different.

Right now I'm out and about picking up supplies So I may need an answer ASAP. For the naphtha step, where we heat via double boil, can I replace the boiler with a crock pot? It would be easier on me but I'm Not sure if it will work. Please let me know ASAP.

 

[DoctorMantus]

Hey I had a question. I've performed this tek twice before with awesome results but want to do something different.

Right now I'm out and about picking up supplies So I may need an answer ASAP. For the naphtha step, where we heat via double boil, can I replace the boiler with a crock pot? It would be easier on me but I'm Not sure if it will work. Please let me know ASAP.

you can replace it with whatever as long as it works.