The problem is SWIM is going to try to make DMT for the first time. Her friends really don't know much about DMT and every time she tries to explain it, the problem with actually saying factual things, her words fails her. They think somehow she is going to blow herself up make it wrong and kill herself or silly things. SWIM needs a good way to explain the whole process to her friend because they are quick to judge (even though they do heroin) but wont read up on the subject and educate themselves on it. SWIM has a really bad stuttering problems and forming sentences that seem to work perfectly out in her head. What can SWIM say to them? And also help them understand that DMT is different than say other things that are homemade? I hope all of you kinda understand what im getting at.
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The best way to get them in is to tell them what happens and the timeline of effects and then smoke a sub-break through dose with them and that will illustrate how safe it is, and your excitement coming out of the trip might get them interested too. Its a very quick trip, you have no time to feel anxiety, and you get to see and feel beautiful things.
Hmm i dont think im exactly getting the right question out here. SWIM's friends are comparing this process of making DMT to the process of cooking up meth. She just wants some good hard facts straight from experienced people to kind of throw out there.
One of the friends seems to be truly interested in DMT for all the right reasons, just seems to be held back by the less informed of the group.
SWIM feels stupid for asking random strangers on the internet. But this defiantly seems like a place where people know what they are talking about, and obviously SWIM still has a lot to learn and seems (to herself at least) like a idiot to others just throwing herself out there. So to say.
One of the friends seems to be truly interested in DMT for all the right reasons, just seems to be held back by the less informed of the group.
SWIM feels stupid for asking random strangers on the internet. But this defiantly seems like a place where people know what they are talking about, and obviously SWIM still has a lot to learn and seems (to herself at least) like a idiot to others just throwing herself out there. So to say.
I consider myself pretty good at talking about all this, and still, most folks I've talked to don't even have a clue.
So now, for the most part, I keep it to myself.
And please....you are not making amphetamines,
you are extracting an endogenous neurotransmitter from plant matter.
It is divine.
When you figure it out,
maybe initiate your friends one by one
in the dark, candle lit
in a quiet circle
so that they may see for themselves.
So now, for the most part, I keep it to myself.
And please....you are not making amphetamines,
you are extracting an endogenous neurotransmitter from plant matter.
It is divine.
When you figure it out,
maybe initiate your friends one by one
in the dark, candle lit
in a quiet circle
so that they may see for themselves.
Researcher
Frank N. Stein
Depending on the technique that one uses there often isn't any "cooking" involved. The first steps break down the original plant material by a non-cooking chemical process, the next steps use a solvent to extract the wanted chemical out of the broken down plant material, and the last steps purify the extracted product, usually with only the slightest heat applied by using hot water. You are not cooking anything, you are not making brain damaging toxic drugs, you are extracting a chemical compound from a plant that has been used in spiritual ritual for ages. Done correctly it is not a dangerous procedure.
Hello,
I want to endorse what I've read here. I would respectfully stress that there are two ways to produce psychoactive substances (use whatever language they can understand). These are extraction from a natural source (plant/animal) and synthesis, which can be thought of as lab-built molecules.
What you are proposing to do is to simply extract a natural-occurring, endogenous neurotransmitter out of a plant source. This will produce an entheogenic substance. Again, use language of your choice, or that your friends can relate to.
If you use Noman's tek, there will be no cooking, literally. And, of course, it is not a drug cook. Rather it is an extraction of a naturally-occurring substance. Frankly, more realistically comparable (in terms of what you want to do) to extracting opium from poppies or hash oil from cannabis. Unlike opium, no addiction potential exists here. Unlike hash oil, no severe expolosion exists here as long as one takes reasonable safety precautions.
I do not know your ultimate goals or intentions but if it were me, I'd tell them I wasn't interested in "getting high" - I'd already tried that. Instead I was interested in opening some doors in my own mind - be they to spirituality, art, self-insight, or whatever. It's all good.
Finally, I would stress the safety of consuming entheogenic substances in general and DMT in particular. And, ultimately, in all good time, I might ask if they were interested . . .
Peace & Love,
Pandora
I want to endorse what I've read here. I would respectfully stress that there are two ways to produce psychoactive substances (use whatever language they can understand). These are extraction from a natural source (plant/animal) and synthesis, which can be thought of as lab-built molecules.
What you are proposing to do is to simply extract a natural-occurring, endogenous neurotransmitter out of a plant source. This will produce an entheogenic substance. Again, use language of your choice, or that your friends can relate to.
If you use Noman's tek, there will be no cooking, literally. And, of course, it is not a drug cook. Rather it is an extraction of a naturally-occurring substance. Frankly, more realistically comparable (in terms of what you want to do) to extracting opium from poppies or hash oil from cannabis. Unlike opium, no addiction potential exists here. Unlike hash oil, no severe expolosion exists here as long as one takes reasonable safety precautions.
I do not know your ultimate goals or intentions but if it were me, I'd tell them I wasn't interested in "getting high" - I'd already tried that. Instead I was interested in opening some doors in my own mind - be they to spirituality, art, self-insight, or whatever. It's all good.
Finally, I would stress the safety of consuming entheogenic substances in general and DMT in particular. And, ultimately, in all good time, I might ask if they were interested . . .
Peace & Love,
Pandora
Narcoleptic Otter
Rising Star
SWIM has had much the same response form even a few choice close friends, although for the most part he tries to kep it quiet. SWIM feels the biggest hurdle is the image of freebase, which has been so tarnished by television and just about every element of the mainstream media that it's only incarnataion is crack :evil: and meth :x , that its silimar appearance and method of consumption will always bring that direct programming to mind.
He finds that the lovely thing about this is that this can be kept a very personal and quiet journey that is your's alone to discover and experience. There is no outward evidence of its consumption after the 25 minutes from top to tail so my advice to her would be go it alone, there are always friends online and only share it with those whose you know aren't wearing blinkers :d
He finds that the lovely thing about this is that this can be kept a very personal and quiet journey that is your's alone to discover and experience. There is no outward evidence of its consumption after the 25 minutes from top to tail so my advice to her would be go it alone, there are always friends online and only share it with those whose you know aren't wearing blinkers :d
Heroin addiction can be fairly healthy (or not-so-detrimental-as-we-think) habit if you have access to good clean heroin and equipment.88 said:
Narcoleptic Otter
Rising Star
Infundibulum said:
Not to be pedantic but I feel that ANY addiction, by definition, is unhealthy, be it booze, H or even sex.
Usage, in moderation, in combination with correct equipment and a pure supply of H I'm sure wont kill ya and may well do little to no damage as long as its monitored and kept under control (tricky).
Same goes for everything I suppose.
Researcher
Frank N. Stein
Infundibulum said:
Healthy? How is that?
geeg30
Rising Star
^^ I wouldn't really say healthy, but take clean heroin and use clean equipment sensibly and in moderation then it would do no physical damage to you. Your body would metabolise the heroin to morphine which passes cleanly through the body and when used in moderation would be less likely to cause psychological dependance.
