Help with recurring malicious DMT entity

[oversoul1919]

Greetings, people of Nexus.

As my exploration of realms of Hyperspace continues, my base of knowledge and experience expands.

And with such expansion, I've came to notice various occurrences and recurrences. One of them is an entity which clearly doesn't like me.

Most recent experience was with myself vaping around 40mg of spice. My set and setting was perfect. No negative thoughts, no distractions. I've played "Frozen Star" by Kevin Macleod, and put the headphones on.

As soon as I finished taking, that being materialized before me. Even it's presence alone makes me nauseous and sick, let alone what it does to me.

In this occasion, it first thrown images of myself, like having a heel injury, and dragging myself on the ground, holding my knee and being in terrible agony. Next it replaced myself with my brother, and third, with some totally unknown person.

If some of you remember my experience with Kali destroying me, I've described it back then also:

"It felt like I was lying on my back, and watching all that. Out of nowhere, the imps have appeared, which very circling around me. Their appearance was like some cave painting. They were flying around me, kicking drums, sticking their tongues out, making crazy sick facial expressions, and it seemed that they were doing all of that just to make me uncomfortable and scared. But they weren't successful in that."

In that experiences, there were many of them. And I've met them on few different occasions. Every time, when I saw them, it was a beginning of dark experience, or sometimes experience is wonderful and blissful and then suddenly it shows up and ruin everything. If I were to describe it, it looks very devilish. Has zig- zag upright hair and eyes of evil. It has Meso-American appearance, I guess.

Unlike with my usual experiences, every time after I encounter this being, on return, I feel drained and exhausted. Like this demon takes some of my energy with it.

Have you met him/it, or anything similar?

Peace and love.

 

[Global]

I would try to familiarize yourself with throat chanting. You don't have to get "good" at it, you pretty much just have to be able to create the visceral effect. It is the most invaluable tool I have for interacting with negative entities. It has unraveled and reconfigured them, leaving happy energy and geometry in their wake. It has never not worked for me. An entity taught it to me by spurring me to vocalize, and then it dropped my vocal cords so that my voice got way lower than I thought possible, which gives way to a very rough and throaty register of the voice, that I did not know I had access to. It prescribed this technique by taking the form of entities that I typically have trouble with, and then setting the vocalizations in motion. There's a lot of talk around here about surrendering control, and I do think there is something to it, but I don't think that the notion is universally applicable, and knowing that I can take control of the situation if need by is very reassuring.

 

[oversoul1919]

I would try to familiarize yourself with throat chanting. You don't have to get "good" at it, you pretty much just have to be able to create the visceral effect. It is the most invaluable tool I have for interacting with negative entities. It has unraveled and reconfigured them, leaving happy energy and geometry in their wake. It has never not worked for me. An entity taught it to me by spurring me to vocalize, and then it dropped my vocal cords so that my voice got way lower than I thought possible, which gives way to a very rough and throaty register of the voice, that I did not know I had access to. It prescribed this technique by taking the form of entities that I typically have trouble with, and then setting the vocalizations in motion. There's a lot of talk around here about surrendering control, and I do think there is something to it, but I don't think that the notion is universally applicable, and knowing that I can take control of the situation if need by is very reassuring.

Thank you Global for taking your time and energy to try and help me on this issue. I will try and apply what you told. And glad to know I'm not the only one harassed and tormented by these nasties. I'm glad you have found way to get rid of them, and I hope I will too.

Peace and love.

 

[Leithen]

Globals advice is very good. I have seen this work first hand.

The first thing I thought to say about your experience is the seemingly universal advice to face your fears. In lots of psychedelic experience reports, as soon as one faces whatever they are scared of it goes away and generally everything becomes better, even when you come down. The more I read this, however, I am not sure if that is the case. The first time this happened hardly seems like something you could "face".

The second thing I thought is that perhaps after this happened for the first time you have been unable to keep it out of your mind. Being either scared that it will happen again or preoccupied with a past experience at the time of blast off could no doubt give you the same effect. Again I have no idea if this is the problem, just a thought.

Best of luck in your dealing with this and I think regardless of how, when you do get through this, you will be much stronger. Best wishes!

 

[travsha]

The first thing I thought to say about your experience is the seemingly universal advice to face your fears. In lots of psychedelic experience reports, as soon as one faces whatever they are scared of it goes away and generally everything becomes better, even when you come down. The more I read this, however, I am not sure if that is the case. The first time this happened hardly seems like something you could "face".

This isnt really universal and doesnt always work very well. It does work well in some cases - when the "entity" is really just a visible manifestation of your fears. Then this works. In many other situations it doesnt work that way. Facing fears will still help a little bit because at least your fear isnt feeding it, but it doesnt fix the problem in and of itself.

To get rid of a spirit you can either try a bunch of random things and hope one works, or you can figure out what the "being" really is. Is it an internal attachment? Is it an external being trying to break in? Is it just the visible manifestations of something repressed inside of you? There is a different method for dealing with each of these...

If it is an internal fear or repressed energy then the best thing you can do is investigate it and be curious about it. It has something to teach you so that you can integrate it better and express it better.

If it is an energy attached to you.... Then you need to remove it. If it is an outside force trying to attach to you - then you need to protect yourself. In some cases you may need a bit of both.

For actual intrusions... Best protection is healing yourself. The more you work on yourself and know yourself and love yourself and the greater your mental and physical health - the less weaknesses you have for intrusive energies to take advantage of. Other most helpful protection is having spirit allies - in shamanic practices these are usually either plant spirits, ancestors, power animals or land and nature spirits. For religious types they might just pray to God. I mostly know about plant spirits. You connect with plant allies through dieta - probably one of the easiest ways to learn protection is start dieting protective plants (tobacco, blackberry, ajo sacha ayahuma ect).

Other methods that kinda rely on the above two methods for efficacy are smudging (tobacco is best, then maybe sage or copal), singing (medicine songs), offerings to spirit allies, using altars, talismans, connect with allies for help some other way, ritual bath ect....

If I had a issue like this I would probably drink San Pedro (strong ally of mine and also more protective then many other plants which open you up), then I would work with tobacco (smoke and snuff). Then I would sing songs to clean and to protect myself. I would ask San Pedro and tobacco what was causing the problem and how to fix it - if they gave me any instructions then I would follow those (might involve facing fears, singing more songs, making an offering ect). Afterwards I would smudge myself and my home and then I would take a ritual bath in epsom salts. Usually this would be more then enough to fix things up. If for some reason that wasnt enough I would ask another practitioner to work on me and help me clean things up.

That might not be the best process for you, but gives you an example of one way to work on this sort of thing. I think each persons process would look very different depending on what tools they have available to work with.

 

[Leithen]

The first thing I thought to say about your experience is the seemingly universal advice to face your fears. In lots of psychedelic experience reports, as soon as one faces whatever they are scared of it goes away and generally everything becomes better, even when you come down. The more I read this, however, I am not sure if that is the case. The first time this happened hardly seems like something you could "face".

This isnt really universal and doesnt always work very well. It does work well in some cases - when the "entity" is really just a visible manifestation of your fears. Then this works. In many other situations it doesnt work that way. Facing fears will still help a little bit because at least your fear isnt feeding it, but it doesnt fix the problem in and of itself.

Yes I do agree with you. I could have worded that much better. I was reffering to internal fear or repressed energy as you said. I should have made that clear. My uncertainty was because this didn't sound like most internal conflicts I hear about.

Thanks for clearing that up. You advice is sound. :thumb_up:

You really do need to figure out the cause before you can get the solution!

 

[oversoul1919]

WOW! Thank you everyone for advices. Especially travsha.

Here's is approximate image of an entity who likes to torture me.

Aztecs called her Tzitzimitl. I'm not saying it's her torturing me, but looks similar.

 

[skoobysnax]

I had an entity like that at one point who became an ally. It made me believe I couldn't breathe like I had a ball in my throat as if it could kill me if it wanted. The fourth time (this would've been my last flight had it attacked again) I encountered it I asked for mercy, that I was there to learn and would it accept me as a student and BAM I broke through like crazy. The first time it came I had a fairly cavalier attitude going in.

Other negative entities I encountered I had an ally show me that the negative entity was actually myself and fighting made it worse. I had to ID my negativity and breathe some love into that space, show myself some compassion and mercy. I am my own worst critic and it was something I needed to see.

 

[Global]

I had an entity like that at one point who became an ally. It made me believe I couldn't breathe like I had a ball in my throat as if it could kill me if it wanted.

The ball or "marble in the throat" is a classic symptom of having burned your DMT.

 

[_Arcane_]

I usually have uplifting music when I smoke changa which I think helps, but when things turn a little dark I either sing aloud something fun or just look at and watch the dark experience like a movie or clap my hands a few times quite hard and shift my body position and one of those usually work for me.

I also usually smoke a light dose (usually 30 mg of 1:1 heavy harmala changa) first to preload the right meditative mind space then once I have enjoyed that I then smoke between 60-100 mg of changa which almost always leads to breathtaking mind blowing experiences.

The ball in the throat as previously mentioned and identified by Global is definitely because of burning the dmt, I have only had it a couple of times but once you understand what it is, even though its unpleasant you can stay calm knowing you are still ok but its going to have to be endured just focus on your breathing and I try to "swallow" around it and breath slow regular breaths.

I usually try to ask any dark experiences/entities "why are you here?" usually they show me something beneficial, sometimes they try to convince I am going to die, I try to think that we are all going to die eventually so their point is almost moot, I then think about living, so they serve their purpose in reminding me to live as well and as honest a life as possible which I am thankful for because they focus me back on thinking about all those in my life and the things I am grateful for, which I hope is their purpose.

 

[DMTripper]

Good thread. Lot's of good advice here

Thanx.

 

[skoobysnax]

That is interesting because that was definitely before I had perfected my technique. However I don't think it burned a lot because once upon a time I burned some spice real bad and holy shizz I thought I had been in a chemical war zone. Choked me really bad and I didn't launch at all. my machine was pointed downward and a stream of spice flowed down into the flame. Ouch!!

 

[DmnStr8]

If no energy is given, no attention is given, then the entity has no power. Just like your thoughts... you can choose to move on... move on and try not to attach yourself to whatever it is that is troubling you.

If that does not work, then I suggest intervening with the entity and make your boundaries known. Tell it "NO!" Demand it leave you alone. Call for help. Attack the entity if you feel like it. Talk to it. Give it a hug. Sing it a song. Whatever. Just go straight at it and feel whatever it brings up. Don't avoid it any longer. Find a way to take your power back.

I have had some rather difficult experiences before and sometimes you just need to go to the places that scare you. Face your fear in this way and you can find strength you never knew you had. Letting go of the notion that you are weak and defenseless. A rabbit survives by running and is a powerful animal in it's own right. But we are not rabbits. We are human. We run when we must and we fight when we must. Sooner or later you getting tired of running.

Is it possible to recognize yourself in this entity? As part of the whole. Necessary. What I mean is... Is there any way to show love or appreciate towards a negative entity or energy like you described. Sometimes it's just a matter of perception.

I like this quote from Frank Herbert.

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.