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Hey everyone. I'm strongly considering DMT and I have a couple questions

KTX

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I have had good experiences with psilocybin before and, having recently done it again, I am now more interested than ever in trying DMT. I have been trying to do some self improvement and I figure what better way to learn how to improve the self than to momentarily annihilate it? I feel this will allow me to better understand my self, and in doing so better understand how to improve it.

I have two big questions, one about preparing for the experience and one about actually intaking the spice.

1. How do I prepare for ego death? I have been looking into psychedelics for years but I have never taken enough shrooms for anything close to ego death. I think I have some minor ego suppression my first trip, because I started thinking about how the self is an illusion and felt much more at one with the universe, but it was never to the point where I forgot my own name or anything like people describe a true ego death. I am very interested in killing my ego, or at least detaching from it, for a time to learn more about myself and my place in this crazy universe. I have heard people say the process of ego death can be scary and can propel you into a bad trip, and especially I have heard that the leadup to ego death when the ego can feel itself being removed and is fighting to remain can be very distressing. I have heard people describe "DMT Hell" and, although inhaled DMT trips are only minutes long, people being stuck in these moments for what feels like an eternity. This is partly why I am so much more interested in DMT than LSD, because I can experience all the same stuff in a much shorter order, and if it were to go bad, I would be on the hook for a far shorter bad trip than say, a 10 hour LSD experience. I really don't want to have a bad trip or scar myself by being stupid. Although I want to experience ego death to learn from it and master my self and my ego, I fear that I may not feel that way when the effects start to take hold and I may begin to panic as I feel my Ego dissolving. This is another thing that drew me to DMT, the fact that if you do it right, you can pretty much annihilate your ego in one go rather than having a big buildup and hours of waiting. It's not like LSD where you take it, have a comeup, effects slowly intensify, and you have all that time to psych yourself out and get nervous. To my understanding, you can take a big rip of DMT, and boom, you're there, pretty much immediately. No time to get nervous. I am very interested in this immediate killshot to the ego, rather than the LSD comeup leaving my ego on life support and fighting to stay. But how can I know I won't panic going in? What steps can I take to ease myself into ego death (as much as one can ease into a DMT trip) and prevent my ego from throwing a fit on the way out and spiraling me into an eternal hellscape of boundless suffering?

2. How the hell are you supposed to vape this stuff? I've read a lot and i'm just not getting it. Apparently you're supposed to waft hot air past the DMT to vaporize it, and heating it directly is a terrible idea. I also know it is ideal to be able to intake your full dose in a single hit because being high on 1-2 hits of DMT makes taking more very difficult. The machine is too harsh and you'll burn it, a crack pipe is even worse, the GVG thing is almost a hundred dollars and apparently has a "steep learning curve", the sanwhich method requires me to smoke other substances which I don't want to do (I don't and cannot smoke weed because my job tests for it, plus I want to experience the DMT without any other psychotrope effecting me)... So what is a psychonaut to do? I have heard people talking about non-marijuana smokeable herbs to pack the DMT in with, do any of you psychonauts do this? If so do you have any recs for what herbs to use. Is there a technique thing you can do with the machine to avoid burning the DMT and inhaling that wack-ass mothball smoke? I had the thought of filling the bulb of a crack pipe with coarse steel wool to aid in heat distribution, holding a lighter to the steel wool, and toking through that, but I have no idea if that would be any more effective in avoiding burning the DMT than a normal machine would. I also had the idea of preheating my oven to a bit above the vaporization point of DMT and placing some sort of closed container in there and just leaving it until it fully vaporized. I bet I could rig something up with a glass jar and a couple check valves. IDK. I also definitely do not want to ingest it or do any kind of ayahuasca brew.
The thread I was reading about intaking methods was a couple years old. Have there been any new ways to vape this stuff recently pioneered? It really seems like there's not any really good way to do it.

If I have gotten anything wrong, please correct me. I know very little about DMT, and barely more about shrooms and LSD. I'm just a lowly fragment of the universe looking back at itself, wanting to shed this ego and experience what I truly am.

In advance, thank you all very much for your help.

KTX signing off.
 
Hi, welcome!

We certainly have some answers to your questions. The topic of 'ego death' has been discussed at considerable length very recently:

Regarding your second question, we have an entire section of the forum dedicated to preparations and methods of administration:
A bit of reading there should start you off on the road to self-empowerment.

The oven idea sounds fairly atrocious if you ask me. You might have better luck with a modified stovetop kettle, if it's kitchen appliances you're wanting to use.

E-mesh devices are rather effective, except I'm not sure easy they are to find these days. In a similar vein, making some form of DMT vape juice is fairly straightforward too.

You will most certainly find a way. Properly prepared and vaporised, DMT can taste mild and even pleasant. The mothball odour is a sign of overheating.
 
Hi, welcome!

We certainly have some answers to your questions. The topic of 'ego death' has been discussed at considerable length very recently:

Regarding your second question, we have an entire section of the forum dedicated to preparations and methods of administration:
A bit of reading there should start you off on the road to self-empowerment.

The oven idea sounds fairly atrocious if you ask me. You might have better luck with a modified stovetop kettle, if it's kitchen appliances you're wanting to use.

E-mesh devices are rather effective, except I'm not sure easy they are to find these days. In a similar vein, making some form of DMT vape juice is fairly straightforward too.

You will most certainly find a way. Properly prepared and vaporised, DMT can taste mild and even pleasant. The mothball odour is a sign of overheating.
I humbly thank you, very much. I will read these.
 
1. How do I prepare for ego death? I have been looking into psychedelics for years but I have never taken enough shrooms for anything close to ego death. I think I have some minor ego suppression my first trip, because I started thinking about how the self is an illusion and felt much more at one with the universe, but it was never to the point where I forgot my own name or anything like people describe a true ego death. I am very interested in killing my ego, or at least detaching from it, for a time to learn more about myself and my place in this crazy universe. I have heard people say the process of ego death can be scary and can propel you into a bad trip, and especially I have heard that the leadup to ego death when the ego can feel itself being removed and is fighting to remain can be very distressing. I have heard people describe "DMT Hell" and, although inhaled DMT trips are only minutes long, people being stuck in these moments for what feels like an eternity. This is partly why I am so much more interested in DMT than LSD, because I can experience all the same stuff in a much shorter order, and if it were to go bad, I would be on the hook for a far shorter bad trip than say, a 10 hour LSD experience. I really don't want to have a bad trip or scar myself by being stupid. Although I want to experience ego death to learn from it and master my self and my ego, I fear that I may not feel that way when the effects start to take hold and I may begin to panic as I feel my Ego dissolving. This is another thing that drew me to DMT, the fact that if you do it right, you can pretty much annihilate your ego in one go rather than having a big buildup and hours of waiting. It's not like LSD where you take it, have a comeup, effects slowly intensify, and you have all that time to psych yourself out and get nervous. To my understanding, you can take a big rip of DMT, and boom, you're there, pretty much immediately. No time to get nervous. I am very interested in this immediate killshot to the ego, rather than the LSD comeup leaving my ego on life support and fighting to stay. But how can I know I won't panic going in? What steps can I take to ease myself into ego death (as much as one can ease into a DMT trip) and prevent my ego from throwing a fit on the way out and spiraling me into an eternal hellscape of boundless suffering?
Greetings KTX... I don't usually preuse much or reply in Introduce yourself but saw your question.

I don't think there is much one can do to prepare for ego death. Approaching any psychedelic experience with intent, respect, and accepting what is offered is always sound advice. Set and setting is essential. I'm a strong proponent of having someone you love and trust as a trip sitter when going deep or experimenting with new compounds. That alone can prevent the self, ego, from "throwing a fit ... and spiraling into an eternal hellscape of boundless suffering" in particularly hard moments or a trip that turns into an officially bad one. Though more essential arguably for longer duration trips as you discussed, but can be equally welcome upon return with DMT depending on what it chooses to share with you.

I've conversed with individuals who have stated vehemently that they welcome and want an ego death experience. When faced with that "hold on and let go" moment during a strong psychedelic experience some choose to hold on and go into bad trip territory. Some easily let go. Some can be coaxed into letting go with assistance and guidance from their trip sitter. Some take enough that there is simply no choice.

I also think each persons "ego death" could be varied in terms of how you contemplate it happening. Sometimes the lack of the meat-suit "self" is so profoundly true in a given moment within a trip, that can simply be enough. In that moment I've lacked the urge to contemplate upon of many of the things relevant to ones ego like name, sex, age, occupation, etc. Afterwards when you integrate the trip is usually when you start to realize the dissolution, the magnitude of those feelings, and what they imply. How you choose to think about and integrate can be as essential as the trip itself.

There is a plethora of information here on the Nexus across many compounds, so you're in the right place if you choose to walk any particular path.
 
How do I prepare for ego death?
It depends on what you mean by it. But if you mean a total disappearance of the sense of self, I would say it happens less often with DMT than with other psychedelics. In fact I'm often amazed at how "normal" my mind feels... other than the many definitely non-normal stuff going on. It's of course possible, and as with other psychedelics the likelihood of it happening increases with higher doses. But I wouldn't be too concerned about this in particular.
In general, it's good to learn to let go with these experiences. That will help for an ego death type of situation and for many variations of feeling like you're dying. A good training for this with DMT could be to start with moderate-low doses, where you feel its intensity but it's only relatively strong for a short time.

How the hell are you supposed to vape this stuff?
An easy option that I like is making e-juice to vape. It's as easy as dissolving freebase DMT in PG (you can also add citric acid to make the citrate salt so it works akin to vaped nicotine salts, see here: Research - DMT salts for e-juice). No smoke and very difficult to burn it, unless you let the pod become too low on juice. Doesn't need any special technique.

I also definitely do not want to ingest it or do any kind of ayahuasca brew.
What is the reason?

If your main interest is dissolving the ego, self, or whatever one calls it, look also into 5-MeO-DMT. I don't have personal experience with it yet, but it seems to be very conductive to those specific effects, much more than DMT.
 
It depends on what you mean by it. But if you mean a total disappearance of the sense of self, I would say it happens less often with DMT than with other psychedelics. In fact I'm often amazed at how "normal" my mind feels... other than the many definitely non-normal stuff going on. It's of course possible, and as with other psychedelics the likelihood of it happening increases with higher doses. But I wouldn't be too concerned about this in particular.
In general, it's good to learn to let go with these experiences. That will help for an ego death type of situation and for many variations of feeling like you're dying. A good training for this with DMT could be to start with moderate-low doses, where you feel its intensity but it's only relatively strong for a short time.


An easy option that I like is making e-juice to vape. It's as easy as dissolving freebase DMT in PG (you can also add citric acid to make the citrate salt so it works akin to vaped nicotine salts, see here: Research - DMT salts for e-juice). No smoke and very difficult to burn it, unless you let the pod become too low on juice. Doesn't need any special technique.


What is the reason?

If your main interest is dissolving the ego, self, or whatever one calls it, look also into 5-MeO-DMT. I don't have personal experience with it yet, but it seems to be very conductive to those specific effects, much more than DMT.
I see. I was considering creating an E-juice, but was hesitant because it seems like a breakthrough dose is difficult to achieve with this method and would require ingesting a harmala which would extend the experience. I am interested in DMT particularly because of its short duration, though this is not the only reason. The idea of having a profound, transformative and meaningful experience, and then 15 minutes later being completely normal and functional again, is very appealing to me, and it does help abate my concerns of being stuck in a bad trip, though this has never happened in my several times taking mushrooms.

I do not want to take any aya/pharmahausca concoction because of the aforementioned concerns about duration of experience. I guess ayahuasca is just more scary to me, couldn't tell you exactly why. Probably unfounded.

Regardless, thank you very much for writing.
 
Why do you want to kill your ego so bad?
I've heard good things from people who have had this experience. Mostly I just like new experiences and ego death sounds like an amazing and profound experience that I would like to have during my limited time as this being on this world.
For my mind to exist in a state beyond or apart from my identity as an individual sounds like it could be enlightening, if not just fascinating and novel.
 
I would advise going into the trip with a more sense of openness and loving kindness. You don't know for sure what will happen when you SMOALK. I would say that I don't know for sure what happens on any trip. I think that is one of the alluring things about these compounds to me. But I think you can't go wrong going into the experience with a mindset like I want to see what happens. Remember that you are going into an experience that is heavily mental so anything that your mind can conceive is fair game and anything that your mind can't conceive is also fair game.
 
There is not one session that will "Kill your Ego" its been several over a long period of time. Be ready to metaphorically die every time you embark on a journey.

Yocan Cylo at setting 3.2 two second on two-3 off and repeat until you have lungs full, repeat until you can't. Enjoy what comes.

Y
 
Hot take out of left field

Ego death is over rated and honestly can be very traumatic for newcomers whether they have experience or not. Its a jarring thing and if you don't quite make it over the wall then you invariably get stuck in limbo where you feel like you're going to die but aren't (this is what happened when I ate 5 grams of some really potent cubes in a less than permissible environment)

Take it easy, be patient, see where it takes you. Dmt can be amazing but figurately grabbing it by the horns and chasing down something profound can lead to bad experiences.

Treat it like its own person, be respectful, listen more than you speak, be honest about your intentions with it, learn to relax when it gets to be intense etc etc

This ego death deal is a societal buzzword that really just gets people well in over their heads in my opinion.

If you're not sure how to vaporize dmt id recommend something like a yocan vape (nexus search "yocan" you'll see the popular choice) otherwise id say try "the machine" works great 👍

Best of luck
 
Hot take out of left field

Ego death is over rated and honestly can be very traumatic for newcomers whether they have experience or not. Its a jarring thing and if you don't quite make it over the wall then you invariably get stuck in limbo where you feel like you're going to die but aren't (this is what happened when I ate 5 grams of some really potent cubes in a less than permissible environment)

Take it easy, be patient, see where it takes you. Dmt can be amazing but figurately grabbing it by the horns and chasing down something profound can lead to bad experiences.

Treat it like its own person, be respectful, listen more than you speak, be honest about your intentions with it, learn to relax when it gets to be intense etc etc

This ego death deal is a societal buzzword that really just gets people well in over their heads in my opinion.

If you're not sure how to vaporize dmt id recommend something like a yocan vape (nexus search "yocan" you'll see the popular choice) otherwise id say try "the machine" works great 👍

Best of luck
Very wise words here, I don't think this is a hot take at all. At least, it shouldn't be.
That's probably good advice. I'm not necessarily getting into it to chase down ego death relentlessly, I just want to be prepared for it if/when it does happen to me so I don't spiral into a bad trip.
My plan was to at first take only a teeny tiny puff, and stop there, with sequential sessions a few days apart taking more and more as I get comfortable with it.
I probably want to get more experienced with higher mushroom doses before I intentionally try to enter hyperspace.
Currently, my plan is to use the HIELO tek, the version adapted for starting from freebase DMT. Seems like it should be a good crossroad of effective, efficient, and idiotproof.

Thank you, NeitherHere.
 
I would advise going into the trip with a more sense of openness and loving kindness. You don't know for sure what will happen when you SMOALK. I would say that I don't know for sure what happens on any trip. I think that is one of the alluring things about these compounds to me. But I think you can't go wrong going into the experience with a mindset like I want to see what happens. Remember that you are going into an experience that is heavily mental so anything that your mind can conceive is fair game and anything that your mind can't conceive is also fair game.
I like this a lot I like to try getting myself into that kind, empathetic compassionate mindset and clear my head of negative thoughts, setting a positive intention. I even made a symbolic tool “this sigil represents empathy” etc and the trips turn out much more positive.
 
I have had good experiences with psilocybin before and, having recently done it again, I am now more interested than ever in trying DMT. I have been trying to do some self improvement and I figure what better way to learn how to improve the self than to momentarily annihilate it? I feel this will allow me to better understand my self, and in doing so better understand how to improve it.

I have two big questions, one about preparing for the experience and one about actually intaking the spice.

1. How do I prepare for ego death?

It’s more Ego Monitored Anesthesia- it’s coming back in short order - what a term Ego Death ….
 
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