TEK HIELO Explained

[Catfish John]

Hey All First off, I need to give kudos to Loveall for being an intellectual heavyweight and figuring this TEK out. I wanted to try it out but I'm new to learning about extractions and I wasn't confident. The TEK was brilliant and easy to follow but I didn't understand the 'why' of each step.

So to help myself gain a better understanding I put together this list that summarizes the steps and why you are adding x chemical to y chemical. I'm not a chemical expert and I encourage readers to be critical and point out mistakes I may have made. This list is based on using 100g of MHRB. Thanks again Loveall and I hope everyone finds this as helpful as I did.

1. Mix 150g water with 25g calcium hydroxide in a french press. The calcium hydroxide (also known as lime) serves as an alkaline agent that helps to break down the plant material and release the DMT from the bark. Alkaline agents, such as calcium hydroxide Ca(OH)2 help to separate DMT from plant material by converting the DMT molecule into its freebase form, which is more soluble in nonpolar solvents.

The DMT molecule in its natural form in the plant material is usually found in the form of DMT salts, which are water-soluble and cannot be easily extracted with nonpolar solvents. By adding an alkaline agent to the plant material, the DMT molecule is deprotonated (loses a hydrogen ion), converting it into the freebase form, which is insoluble in water and soluble in nonpolar solvents.

2. Mix in 100g MHRB powder to form a wet stiff consistency. Add water if necessary.

3. Cover paste with around 200g ethyl acetate and stir for 10 minutes. Make sure to stir lightly. Rest for 2 minutes. Ethyl acetate is a solvent commonly used to extract organic compounds from plant material. When mixed together, the ethyl acetate will extract the DMT from the MHRB, resulting in a DMT-containing extract.

4. Decant into a quart mason jar with a paper coffee filter. Squeeze lightly to accelerate decanting. Decanting is a process of separating a liquid from a mixture of solid and liquid. It involves pouring the liquid into another container, leaving behind the solid or sediment at the bottom.

5. Repeat extraction with around 125g of ethyl acetate until extraction jar is full (around 5 or 6 pulls).

6. Chemically dry extract with 50g of calcium chloride CaCl2. Give it a few hours to absorb all the water. Calcium chloride has a strong affinity for water molecules and can easily absorb moisture from the air. When added to an extract, calcium chloride will quickly absorb any water molecules present in the extract, leaving behind a dry and more concentrated product.

7. Weigh an empty jar with a scale that has 0.1 resolution. Decant dry ethyl acetate into a jar through a paper coffee filter. The extract needs to be clear, particle free and without water droplets.

8. Stir in 5g citric acid and 1 tsp water. Extract should cloud. Leave undisturbed for 3 days. When you mix a DMT ethyl acetate solvent with citric acid, the DMT freebase can be converted to its citrate salt form. Citric acid is a weak organic acid that can be used to acidify the DMT solution, lowering its pH and facilitating the conversion of DMT freebase to its citrate salt form.

9. Decant solvent leaving the DMT citrate honey behind. Rinse twice with around 50ml ethyl acetate. Allow to air dry until ethyl acetate smell is not present. One day is recommended. Rinsing with ethyl acetate can be used to remove impurities or contaminants from the extracted DMT solution.

10. Measure jar weight and calculate honey weight.

11. Add 1.3g x honey weight of 50/50 PG/VG to jar and dissolve over a hot water bath.

If the list I posted is accurate I was thinking about turning into a document so anyone interested could print the document and have it as a reference during the extraction. I look forward to any feedback!! Thanks everyone, love you all!!!

 

[Loveall]

Hi, somehow I missed this post.

Yes, your info is accurate. I would say that calcium hydroxide (lime) is a lot more gentler than sodium hydroxide (lye). Ethyl acetate and limonene have some bark penetrating power and work well with lime pastes. On the other hand, naphtha needs the help of lye to get to the dmt well.

Glad you liked the TEK. How was the e-juice? I think I'm gonna change the recomended ratio to 70/30 PG/GV since it flows a little better in my opinion.

A separate confirmation of it working is great. Would be good to get mass spec also.

I think this is the laziest and most convenient way to make a good/safe dmt salt e-juice.

 

[Catfish John]

Hey Loveall!

Thanks for the response The e-juice is fantastic!! This was my first and only extraction and I could not have been happier with the results. My yield was a little less than I expected but the juice works great. The hits were smooth and I was able to breakthrough with the help of sublingual harmalas. I didn't notice any issues with flow but I will try the 70/30 ratio out during my next batch and let you know how it goes! Thanks again Loveall!

 

[Loveall]

Hey Loveall!

Thanks for the response The e-juice is fantastic!! This was my first and only extraction and I could not have been happier with the results. My yield was a little less than I expected but the juice works great. The hits were smooth and I was able to breakthrough with the help of sublingual harmalas. I didn't notice any issues with flow but I will try the 70/30 ratio out during my next batch and let you know how it goes! Thanks again Loveall!

Good to hear. You call always try more pulls of the bark paste if you have it around. Cheers.

I may update the TEK to do a cold fridge rest/decant instead of the CaCl2 dry (copying CIELO). It is less chems. used. Semmes to work well so far.

 

[shroombee]

I may update the TEK to do a cold fridge rest/decant instead of the CaCl2 dry (copying CIELO). It is less chems. used. Semmes to work well so far.

Loveall, what's your latest thoughts on using CaCl2 versus fridge rest for HIELO?

 

[Loveall]

I may update the TEK to do a cold fridge rest/decant instead of the CaCl2 dry (copying CIELO). It is less chems. used. Semmes to work well so far.

Loveall, what's your latest thoughts on using CaCl2 versus fridge rest for HIELO?

Edit: not sure, more tests are needed.

 

[Loveinthedream_]

Has anyone tried HIELO with ACRB? Wondering if it pulls full spectrum or if the goo is pure hydrated DMT citrate?

Also- has anyone tried cleaning the goo up in the same way CIELO goo is cleaned up?

How about salting with fumeric? Does that produce goo as well or xtals?

And finally, has anyone tried the goo orally, alone or along with MAOI?

 

[BingoDingo]

This TEK seems underutilized. Is there a reason for that? Seems like it would be good for changa or oral, but perhaps not a pure, smoakable deems experience? What are some of the shortfalls of this that seem to have lead to it being abandoned? I have the CIELO materials and it seems a straight forward way to do an extraction utilizing materials and techniques I am already familiar with. Much like @Loveinthedream_ above I am interested in using ACRB due to ease of availability where I am. Their unanswered question seems interesting to me as well: would this pull a full spectrum goo or would it be selective for DMT only the way CIELO is selective for mesc only? The TEK particularly appeals to me because I can not use my freezer for extractions due to the other household members and respecting their use of the freezer for, well, food. Are there other, better DMT extraction TEKs that don't require the use of the freezer?

Oral ROI is the most interesting to me. Frankly, smoking DMT scares me and makes me uncomfortable, and I am not able to bring much back from it that has been of use to my self or my life in any therapeutic or growth oriented manner. I have used oral DMT (chagraponga, so 5-MEO?) in the Amazon basin, but have not yet used it by myself or at my home. Any advise, both in terms of this tech and in terms of at-home, self-guided ceremony would be welcomed.

Things I have at my disposal:
CIELO/HIELO equipment and ingredients,
ACRB,
peganum harmala,
Hawaiian AYA spirit extract (supposedly hamine and tetrahydroharmine 50/50)
Changa (unsure about composition, besides that it definitely works very well, and seems light on the harmalas)
Extracted N,N-DMT ("pure" and in preloaded vape form)

Your advice is welcome.

 

[lizi]

有人尝试过 HIELO 和 ACRB 吗？想知道它是否能吸收全光谱，或者粘性物质是否是纯水合 DMT 柠檬酸盐？

另外——有人尝试过用清理 CIELO 粘性物质的同样方法来清理这些粘性物质吗？

用硫酸铝腌制怎么样？这样也能产生粘性物质或晶体吗？

最后，有人尝试过单独口服这种粘性物质或者将其与 MAOI 一起口服吗？

I have the same question

 

[Loveall]

No experiments that I'm aware of with ACRB. Feel free to contribute

 

[drpotato]

if the DMT is relatively pure, crystals will form upon adding saturated sodium carbonate to a modestly concentrated solution of dmt fumarate in distilled/demin water (non tap water). i dont see why it wouldnt also work with citrate. this part is solvent free though i believe does require sitting in the fridge for the crystals to grow. it relies on the process by which you made the salt, to have purified it substantially.
the method can be found in the FASA wiki, titled "Fumarate to freebase" or something like that, its also in the end of the FASA wiki.

While this may contradict the above method, if you make sure your naptha/hex/heptane is free of water, then slow evaporation should have no issue yielding crystals if its pure enough to crystalize, free of oils and polymers, polymers can be avoided if a strong acid is used and your freebase doesnt spent too much time in contact with strong bases, heat or sun. slow evaporation is key. something like what ikea sells, PP lids that clip into pyrex trays, but poke a hole in it. otherwise get creative, but if you can stop the NPS from escaping quickly, it should produce crystals more readily as well as making them bigger and better.
first though see if your freebase can just form crystals normally, store it somewhere it wont warm/cool much throughout the day.

apparently dmt that can crystalize eventually will even if it forms as an oil, as long as its not all polymerized. so, consider freezing your highly pure oil once all the solvent is gone, that should eliminate some of the issues with having solvent in the freezer.


One last thing: with strong stirring and probably modest heating, all substances have different pKas, which might as well mean their specific pH, and will prefferentially react accordingly if reactant is scarce enough that it gets to choose based on the forces of attraction.
if you add a weak base like carbonate slowly enough, diffused well enough, jungle spice and whatever else makes up this honey will freebase in order of most basic to least basic.

In other chemistry with ammonium compounds, different ammonium salts and hydroxides tend to react with one another. Methylammonium hydroxide for example is a stronger base than ammonium hydroxide, so after adding lye to a mixture of the salts of both, while methylammonium may form, it ends up taking back the salt ions and ammonia is prefferentially released first. the problem with DMT freebase though is its not exactly a functional base in general and has limited activity in water so if DMT were stronger than NMT, thats not to say DMT hydroxide could steal the salt-ion from say, NMT citrate. using enough alcohol or possibly ethyl acetate to keep it solvated though could keep the molecules and their salt ions that seperated that they could freely re-arrange to whatever is the most stable, but this is pure speculation on my part. But the fallback plan here is still just very slowly adding carbonate to any given salt and, things that would prevent crystalization, being an extreme minority, could be isolated by removing the first 10% of the salt freebase, as well as the last 10%, if the DMT content is over 80%.

If the base is added slowly enough, and dispersed finely enough that the base reacts to what attracts it the most, this would 100% work as described since the forces of attraction are not equal.

 

[florbie92844]

Would using fumaric acid with HIELO instead of citric acid yield fumarate crystals? @Loveall

 

[Transform]

Would using fumaric acid with HIELO instead of citric acid yield fumarate crystals? @Loveall

Fumaric probably doesn't work so well, assuming poor solubility in ethyl acetate. It likely was tested at some point during the development phase of this group of EA-based methods. A search of the appropriate threads might help to clarify that.

 

[florbie92844]

I'm not Fumaric works _wonderfully_ for CIELO which is almost identical in process and avoids/eliminates the goo problem the mescaline citrate is prone to, resulting in a process that is much less water sensitive. This is discussed on the CIELO page in the upgrades section.

What I was hoping is that fumaric acid would precipitate crystals in the DMT case as well, allowing an easy filter-off and easy long term storage.

 

[Transform]

I'm not Fumaric works _wonderfully_ for CIELO which is almost identical in process and avoids/eliminates the goo problem the mescaline citrate is prone to, resulting in a process that is much less water sensitive. This is discussed on the CIELO page in the upgrades section.

What I was hoping is that fumaric acid would precipitate crystals in the DMT case as well, allowing an easy filter-off and easy long term storage.

Well, if that's the case, you should get an equally workable goo at worst.

Only one way to find out...

 

[Transform]

TEK - Ethyl acetate approach [CIELO]

Mmmhhh my test subject goo dryed to this???? Good or just the citric wadda think,,,,,looks awesome thinking of smashing a bit not sure which looks the best Sorry, I can't follow exactly what you did or what pictures are from what steps. Sounds like you had some good from too much water in your...

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3g of fumaric acid dissolve well in the EA extract described in the TEK. Multiple people have had no issues dissolving it all.

That is ~3g/g, minus whatever reacts to form product (about half a gram or so)

Are you measuring the solubility in fresh EA? It could be lower than in the extract from the TEK.

Your data does discourage a full chemical dry, which is not recommended in the TEK.

DMT fumarate will probably form as a goo if the EA is moist enough to dissolve the fumaric.

I could easily be wrong

 

[florbie92844]

As you say, only one way to find out. Though I was hoping Loveall had thoughts given his experiments.

 

[Transform]

As you say, only one way to find out. Though I was hoping Loveall had thoughts given his experiments.

Hm, a similar question was asked above:

Has anyone tried HIELO with ACRB? Wondering if it pulls full spectrum or if the goo is pure hydrated DMT citrate?

Also- has anyone tried cleaning the goo up in the same way CIELO goo is cleaned up?

How about salting with fumeric? Does that produce goo as well or xtals?

And finally, has anyone tried the goo orally, alone or along with MAOI?

But Loveall only addressed the ACRB aspect. One could infer there was little to be said about the fumarate aspect at that point - hence, your experiments in that direction will be valuable!

It should be relatively simple, and hopefully forgiving, too.

 

[drpotato]

TEK - Ethyl acetate approach [CIELO]

Mmmhhh my test subject goo dryed to this???? Good or just the citric wadda think,,,,,looks awesome thinking of smashing a bit not sure which looks the best Sorry, I can't follow exactly what you did or what pictures are from what steps. Sounds like you had some good from too much water in your...

forum.dmt-nexus.me

DMT fumarate will probably form as a goo if the EA is moist enough to dissolve the fumaric.

I could easily be wrong

DMT fumarate with enough jungle spices of certain kind present will also form a goo. Unfortunately we dont also have any ways to distinguish between water and simply a liquid salt, do we?

 

[Transform]

DMT fumarate with enough jungle spices of certain kind present will also form a goo. Unfortunately we dont also have any ways to distinguish between water and simply a liquid salt, do we?

Er, presumably that last question was tongue-in cheek.