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Kolorit,

I think you have some good points to make, and this goes to illustrate the large complexity and of the subject, and why i believe it's important to be SPECIFIC, and focus on facts rather than projections, and associated 'fluff'.

The whole point of categorising Cuarandero, then Ayahuasquero, is so that we can at least be specific about what we are addressing, rather than go off on Spiritual tangents of stuff like historical talk about priests, and witches. Simply put, you have gone way off topic, and the focus is primarily on Curanderos vs Shaman, since there appears to be ambiguity about this title, and even what they do differently.

People who do that are not Shaman's, or curandero's. It's a difficult path to take, and usually takes several years to master. I'm not sure if we are making any progress on this thread at all if that isn't already clear and obvious.

Of course there are scammers the world over, but those people are too weak to do the hard work that the tradition requires. This does NOT mean that the tradition is lacking in any way, just that it's a tough number.

<blockquote data-quote="ganesh" data-source="post: 3782132" data-attributes="member: 28150">Kolorit,I think you have some good points to make, and this goes to illustrate the large complexity and&nbsp; of the subject, and why i believe it&#039;s important to be SPECIFIC, and focus on facts rather than projections, and associated &#039;fluff&#039;.The whole point of categorising Cuarandero, then Ayahuasquero, is so that we can at least be specific about what we are addressing, rather than go off on Spiritual tangents of&nbsp; stuff like historical talk about priests, and witches. Simply put, you have gone way off topic, and the focus is primarily on Curanderos vs Shaman, since there appears to be ambiguity about this title, and even what they do differently.People who do that are not Shaman&#039;s, or curandero&#039;s. It&#039;s a difficult path to take, and usually takes several years to master. I&#039;m not sure if we are making any progress on this thread at all if that isn&#039;t already clear and obvious.Of course there are scammers the world over, but those people are too weak to do the hard work that the tradition requires. This does NOT mean that the tradition is lacking in any way, just that it&#039;s a tough number.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ganesh, post: 3782132, member: 28150"] Kolorit, I think you have some good points to make, and this goes to illustrate the large complexity and of the subject, and why i believe it's important to be SPECIFIC, and focus on facts rather than projections, and associated 'fluff'. The whole point of categorising Cuarandero, then Ayahuasquero, is so that we can at least be specific about what we are addressing, rather than go off on Spiritual tangents of stuff like historical talk about priests, and witches. Simply put, you have gone way off topic, and the focus is primarily on Curanderos vs Shaman, since there appears to be ambiguity about this title, and even what they do differently. People who do that are not Shaman's, or curandero's. It's a difficult path to take, and usually takes several years to master. I'm not sure if we are making any progress on this thread at all if that isn't already clear and obvious. Of course there are scammers the world over, but those people are too weak to do the hard work that the tradition requires. This does NOT mean that the tradition is lacking in any way, just that it's a tough number. [/QUOTE]