Running Bear said:How do you become a shaman?
Running Bear said:How do you become a shaman? What makes them so qualified to earn such a name? Seeing how we also go on psychedelic journeys how are they any different than us?
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dreamer042 said:How are they any different than us?
They have far moar disposable income.![]()
WannaBeShaman said:I heard that some of these so called shamans are actually evil brujos who will even make a spirit invade the persons being and attach themselves making them weak. Idk crazy shit.. crazy world, and were the crazy ones because were actually sane enough to take shit that sends us either insane or super sane enough to understand the reality... Which is from a normal perspective high risk and insane to some. But to some of us its actually far far more sane than staying sick/insane.
Chan said:The plant-spirits themselves are reportedly capable of jealousy, anger and fickleness too, and it is not unknown for them to desert one practitioner, in favour of another more powerful personality...
Ganesh said:the idea that a person is powerless to choose a good or bad path is untrue.
Chan said:Ganesh said:the idea that a person is powerless to choose a good or bad path is untrue.
Ganesh, I completely agree, and can't see where I suggested that...?
blackcatvagabond said:the freebase and the vaporisation are new, western sciences...so aren't we, collectively, in the first world, the privileged few shamans of this new technology?
ganesh said:Running Bear said:They are different from someone who drinks Ayahuasca, because they have knowledge and ability that a drinker does not have, from the training and plant knowledge assimilated. They can actively work in the realms and manipulate it. A drinker does not have the same ability, and is merely passive.
The training :roll: ? the art of leaf throwing, chanting and using fire/smoke to manipulate the experience is something we can do to. We don't need them and there are better ways to guide people through that realm.
Running Bear said:ganesh said:Running Bear said:They are different from someone who drinks Ayahuasca, because they have knowledge and ability that a drinker does not have, from the training and plant knowledge assimilated. They can actively work in the realms and manipulate it. A drinker does not have the same ability, and is merely passive.
The training :roll: ? the art of leaf throwing, chanting and using fire/smoke to manipulate the experience is something we can do to. We don't need them and there are better ways to guide people through that realm.
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It doesn't sound to me like you have any idea of what a Curandero actually does. I'm not an expert myself, but i have tried to understand what i can about Amazonian Curandismo. There may be some theatre involved, but for the most part there is a basic framework of serious work involved.
Curandero's aren't here to 'trip sit' people, that's what 'sitters' are for. Curandero's work is to heal sickness.