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optyks

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So, I've broken through twice. Once a year or two ago, by myself, and once last week with some friends. Both times were fascinating and interesting, and neither of them were exactly scary or harrowing (other than the intensity of it itself). The second time, i think I struggled to Let go of this reality, as I kept squirming and opening my eyes (to an open marketplace in some place seemingly like saudi arabia/india like.. 500 years ago) but... I don't seem to have the courage to keep doing it. I meditated and prepared myself quite a bit for my first breakthrough, and it turned out well and all. My second one, I was a lot more hesitant, knowing the power and intensity of the stuff

So, I have tons of the stuff but no courage to go back, since at any time I could experience something devilishly evil or terrifying... So..

How do you do it?
 
Just relax and let it happen.

There's no doing, just experiencing.

let go and let it flow. If you breakthrough then you do! If you don't you can still learn a great deal from it.
 
I don't think anyone here could tell you they aren't scared or nervous doing DMT; perhaps the veterans could. Even thinking about sitting down, bringing out the bong and smoking makes my heart beat faster.

I don't really know how I overcame my fear during the trip. I suppose once you think you die and accept it, it all seems less scary in a way. As crazy as this sounds, you do get accustomed to the experience. You learn how your body reacts and to be ready for anything.



That being said, I don't think I'll ever take a 70mg dose again. Just like you said, the intensity of it is terrifying. My limit is 60mg, I just can't handle more. Try lowering your dosage?
 
I suppose I should probably get a mG scale... I eyeball my doses every time. I figured there's either breaking through or there isn't. Does more necessarily make it different?

I do relax at the beginning, just hard to when your heart is racing. It's the most intense thing I've ever experienced...
 
optyks said:
I suppose I should probably get a mG scale... I eyeball my doses every time. I figured there's either breaking through or there isn't. Does more necessarily make it different?
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Does more make it different? Of course more makes it different!

Generally, the more you take, the more intense the experience is. You go deeper and further than you imagined possible. You may go so far that you become convinced that there’s no coming back.

I’ve had some very deep, difficult experiences, but they weren’t difficult because I was frightened or presented with something that was “devilishly evil”. For example, once I witnessed an entity that was more beautiful than I could imagine possible. This entity was so beautiful that I became concerned I would die from awe if I continued to look upon it/her. So I looked away. “Death by beauty”.

I’d say that if you keep your doses low and gradually increase them, you’ll avoid a lot of trauma. I highly recommend getting a scale.
 
Yeah, I've started looking into it. I'm finding these 15-20 dollar ones on ebay, from china/asia. I kind of don't trust them, but again, I got a gram scale from that area of the world and it works flawlessly, and the chinese have the capability to make everything. They do anyway. Then I see some that are listed for $100+. Yeah.... thats not gonna happen for me.
I suppose I can see how you can get farther and farther in. my second trip I still knew the world around me existed. My first, i did not.
 
With practice it gets easier. It becomes a matter of knowing yourself and what you are ready to handle at a given moment.

Its become a whole ritual process that takes time for me, working through the fear.

It has to do with getting myself into the best positive mindset I can before launching full tilt.
Clearing out all anxiety and as much personal baggage as possible.

I try to leave nothing negative in myself for the DMT to amplify and spin a loop.
The goal is to be a sincere open loving student of hyperspace. Calm, collected and even. Thats the baseline starting point.

There is a certain razors edge of perfect mindset where the magic seems to happen when deeply engaged into hyperspace.
It feels like riding the crest of a huge wave and remaining calm in the face of it all.

My mantra when faced with the most incredible alien things usually goes something like this :
stay calm, breath, be cool , breath, stay calm, stay with it, your ok, just breath, your fine, breath..............

trying to maintain a minimal level of astonishment seems to reveal more. It not easy to do this and I still screw it up.

avoiding physical discomfort is also an overlooked thing. It very hard to focus on whats happening when your feeling sick. Higher doses can include nausea or sometimes breathing issues. Physical issues can create anxiety and fear wich can spin out of control and turn things negative.
ginger on hand is always good. I eat candied ginger throughout any extended session.

practice practice practice
 
optyks said:
Yeah, I've started looking into it. I'm finding these 15-20 dollar ones on ebay, from china/asia. I kind of don't trust them, but again, I got a gram scale from that area of the world and it works flawlessly, and the chinese have the capability to make everything. They do anyway. Then I see some that are listed for $100+. Yeah.... thats not gonna happen for me.
I suppose I can see how you can get farther and farther in. my second trip I still knew the world around me existed. My first, i did not.
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Quite a lot of people here on the Nexus have one of those:

Including me :)
This one is more than good enough and it will give you more peace of mind when blasting off knowing how much you put in that pipe.
 
I also have one of these, and it works wonderfully. I have never experienced it to have a margin of error above 5 mg if calibrated. Usually it is 0-2 mg in error. Take note that it needs to be calibrated regularly though, but a 10 gram calibration scale is included in the package. Through this site you may purchase the same scale as DMTripper linked to, but for only $25 including shipping!
 
Felnik said:
spin a loop.
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While reading this I just got an incredible, unconscious flash back! Me flying through the hyperspace and then everything narrows and narrows and narrows and then, before I know it, the realization comes...fuck I am here again! The End of the Line. I just hit it again. And then this DMT-Molecule-Hyperspace - "Yes you here again (hahaha)" And then I instantly remember all my previous times being there (seems like a billion!!!).

You can call it a loop, because in a way, you are stuck there. Only now seems to exist there. Only now, only now, only now, only now, only now (=loop?) You can't get out. You spend some time in it, what from there seems an eternity (if you ever hit it, you will get it and then again forget it). And it is an eternity as only now exists there. And it talks to you, or so it feels, in some strange way where I can't wrap my mind around. All I can give is a rough estimate: “Remember this, this is the real breakthrough/nothing more to break through. Tell others who want to breakthrough!”(???). There was more communicated to me, I am sure, but I can't remember! And I don’t know what to remember! There is literally nothing to remember in the way we know it. So I am pretty confused. All I can say is that it’s EARTH SHATTERINGLY INTENSE. The most intense spiritual empirical experience somebody can have. And you will forget the ‘earth shattering intense part’ as soon as you will leave/get out of the loop. Only the vague feeling may be left of that you experienced something and occasional flash backs, as in may case.

Funny, now I already forgot it. I can only remember that I remembered it and I have only the memories of how I remembered it, not the actual memory of that Loop/Place/Dimension. And this is the most terrifying aspect of all – how is this possible to forget it? Because I know that the next time I decide to go ‘deep’, I will be there again, as if not 1 second passed. I can live my life for many months, but as soon as I am back there – it will seem that not even 1 second has passed from my last visit. As if I just left that place and came back already. I can’t wrap my mind around it.

I must admit that I am as scared as somebody can possibly be of something one can’t even remember! That makes me even more frightened. At such moments after a flash back, I have something like: I will never do DMT again. But then again, I know for sure, that as the memory of such flash back fades away, my curiosity will take the better of me. And I will be there again.

Why can’t I remember now? Why can’t I remember now? Why can’t I remember now?

Working with lower doses, like I did in my last journey seemed to work (“First day at school”). But I am sure, that’s not a guarantee.

And why do I have that feeling, that The Loop is the only one real breakthrough and all other Hyperspace-elves is not that ‘real’, the real mechanicals behind it is the Loop. Is doing DMT always such a ‘cat and mouse’ game? Where you try to take enough to break through, but not too much, so you will not break through all to the Other Side/The Loop, as it’s as terrifying as HELL.

Sorry for my ramblings, but this is the best I could produce of something I can’t even remember. Maybe more flash backs (or dreams?) will clarify something on this matter? I haven’t touched spice since 4 juli 2010, even though that my last journey was absolutely great. I somehow feel that I have to address this issue before I can proceed further. But how can I ‘address/integrate’ something that I can’t consciously remember???:? :? :?

p.s. it doesn't have anything to do with having respect/set/setting, it's somehow beyond that when you are there.

p.p.s Just found a trip-report on Erowid pointing at The Loop: DMT - Erowid Exp - 'I Will Not Have Such a God'
 
I have no idea how i do it. I get this overwhelming anxiety everytime, but it makes me smile. and as soon as i take that first hit all the anxiety goes away, and i take

another hit. I try to break through everytime because i personally dont like the bodyload from it, but once im in it, i dont even feel my body anymore. I recently had a

huge freakout on DMT (in the best way possible though). i had a bunch of friends over, all from different times in my life, all of us vibing and groovin together. we went,

and i went further then ever. and when i came back i had this strange feeling that everyone knew each other, and they all knew something i didnt. I was hugging all my

friends, and jumping around banging on my table, I was biting my finger and i even bit one of my friends. I had to run outside and hold onto this tree for dear life, I need

something to ground me because nothing became real... er what was real was unmasked. IDK Truman show shit. Just forget all your fears, dive in, the aqueous type solution is

fine!
 
AstraLex I hear you man, its such a tricky game alright. There's a real art to getting it right.
Important not to forget those rough ones or at least a memory of the pure intensity of them.

I will never forget the feeling of my sense of self obliterating into the aggressive folding patterns of geometry.

Dark triangles folding over and over and over on themselves.
That feeling that I pushed the limit and now will pay the price of eternity in this alien mess of confused hyperspace hell.
I've never been more scared in my life and I will never forget it. The shear POWER of this thing is indescribable.

I am super cautious now and tread the waters very carefully.
I try to avoid setting off negative loops as much as possible.
I don't mess around anymore everything has to be right or I just don't go in.
 
AstraLex said:
Felnik said:
spin a loop.
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Funny, now I already forgot it. I can only remember that I remembered it and I have only the memories of how I remembered it, not the actual memory of that Loop/Place/Dimension. And this is the most terrifying aspect of all – how is this possible to forget it? Because I know that the next time I decide to go ‘deep’, I will be there again, as if not 1 second passed. I can live my life for many months, but as soon as I am back there – it will seem that not even 1 second has passed from my last visit. As if I just left that place and came back already. I can’t wrap my mind around it.
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I think that this is because, as we have all seen, time has virtually no meaning to the realm of DMT. Just as our lives are but a tiny smear in the cosmic scheme of things, so too are our breaks between voyages. A different plane of time exists for every single thing (and this is starting to become a proven reality, with space-time acting as a gravitational wave that speeds up and varies.), therefore there really may not be any time between our trips. DMT exists on a different plane, so there may really not be any time between them.
I somehow feel that I have to address this issue before I can proceed further. But how can I ‘address/integrate’ something that I can’t consciously remember???:? :? :?
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The brain is a wonderfully mysterious thing. We can unconsciously resolve issues and figure out things using it. It's a wonderful tool. When the time comes, you shall know--subconsciously, unconsciously, consciously or otherwise-- teh answers.

As for the scales, lol, i have seem those same ones, the ones I been talking about, on ebay. Except there, they're like $15 shipped. Ebay is great.
 
optyks said:
I do relax at the beginning, just hard to when your heart is racing.
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Are you saying that you're relaxed at first, but after the first toke you become incresingly hesitant?


If so here's a trick you could try that I have used to help me deal with the exact same issue many times.
Use a bong, take 3 large tokes with a torch. BUT don't clear the bong till after you have exhaled your 3rd hit (so I guess it's really 4 tokes but you only light it 3 times) hit,hit,hit,clear

This way it saves the most concentrated part of the vapor till the very end. I would even go so far as to say it's almost a guarantee blastoff. :shock: with minimal trying-to-vape-while-halfway-in-hyperspace 😉
 
Haha yeah, i'll have to give that a try sometime. I have heard that DMT doesn't work with water based pieces either... So I haven't tried it. Though more recently I've been hearing that it's one of the best ways.
 
optyks said:
Haha yeah, i'll have to give that a try sometime. I have heard that DMT doesn't work with water based pieces either... So I haven't tried it. Though more recently I've been hearing that it's one of the best ways.
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A water pipe has always been my prefered method because enormous tokes are easier to me in a bong. (although I never did try a Vapor genie which I have read is a great.) and I have not ever noticed loss of potency. Also I might add that I put saturated salt-water solution in the bottom instead of regular water and noticed a very slight rise in potency. good luck on your travels! :)
 
Felnik said:
With practice it gets easier. It becomes a matter of knowing yourself and what you are ready to handle at a given moment.

Its become a whole ritual process that takes time for me, working through the fear.

It has to do with getting myself into the best positive mindset I can before launching full tilt.
Clearing out all anxiety and as much personal baggage as possible.

I try to leave nothing negative in myself for the DMT to amplify and spin a loop.
The goal is to be a sincere open loving student of hyperspace. Calm, collected and even. Thats the baseline starting point.

There is a certain razors edge of perfect mindset where the magic seems to happen when deeply engaged into hyperspace.
It feels like riding the crest of a huge wave and remaining calm in the face of it all.

My mantra when faced with the most incredible alien things usually goes something like this :
stay calm, breath, be cool , breath, stay calm, stay with it, your ok, just breath, your fine, breath..............

trying to maintain a minimal level of astonishment seems to reveal more. It not easy to do this and I still screw it up.

avoiding physical discomfort is also an overlooked thing. It very hard to focus on whats happening when your feeling sick. Higher doses can include nausea or sometimes breathing issues. Physical issues can create anxiety and fear wich can spin out of control and turn things negative.
ginger on hand is always good. I eat candied ginger throughout any extended session.

practice practice practice
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Felnik,
Thats an awesome writeup and one that I can say I try to use in my approach.
It is magic! And for me, it requires MORE than the preparation I would give a sacrament were I religious.
It is about my body, my soul, my surroundings, and my latest experiences in the last few hours that I need to come to terms with before I am at peace to enter The Realm.
 
To gain anything we must let go of everything. Let go of the fear and the rest will follow. It is such a beautiful experience, I get goosebumps just thinking about it.
 
AstraLex said:
Felnik said:
spin a loop.
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I can live my life for many months, but as soon as I am back there – it will seem that not even 1 second has passed from my last visit. As if I just left that place and came back already. I can’t wrap my mind around it.
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Wow I know exactly what you mean AstraLex, it is so crazy how once you get to that familar realm, you feel "Oh, here I am again, I was just here." It is almost as if your life is there, and reality is the dream and you come back to the realization when you encounter the spice again. It is beyond this life..
 
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