how much ammonia would SWIM need for washing a 50g bark extraction?

[lorax]

SWIM is extracting his MHRB with xylene and wants to aquire the yellow spice. he will fo 4 pulls and then evap. how much 9% ammonia solution will SWIM need to clean it? is there any other step SWIM should go through for a cleaner product? SWIM is a nonsmoker and wants as good product as can be

greetings

 

[lorax]

how is the procedure for washing a jungle spice/nn dmt mixture with ammonia? SWIM doesnt wanna wash away any of the precious jungle spice contents - he wants a mixture of both which stays dry and is easy to store and handle.

 

[Noman]

how is the procedure for washing a jungle spice/nn dmt mixture with ammonia? SWIM doesnt wanna wash away any of the precious jungle spice contents - he wants a mixture of both which stays dry and is easy to store and handle.

I don'e see how one could wash jungle spice with ammonia - it's too sticky to get fine enough to have a decent amount of surface area.
Your best bet for drying it out some would be cold naptha. It'll pull a little of the DMT, but it'll pull a lot more oil.

 

[lorax]

i got this idea from the jungle spice thread.. there some dude said that he had washed his xylene extracted spice with ammonia and then used it afterwards. he said it was supposed to be THE shit.

the tek he used was normans tek. then after naphta pulls he did 3 xylene pulls to aquire the jungle spice. and he said he got yellow crystals which he washed with ammonia.

peace.

 

[Noman]

Well good luck with that.
Norman has never seen anything approaching crystal coming out of a xylene evap.

 

[lorax]

SWIM has now done 4 xylene pulls which are very slowly evaping on SWIMs balcony.. is it normal for xylene to take so long for evap?

SWIM has finally found a company which will send him pure naphtha with no adds. SWIM hopes it will reach him until end of the week.

SWIM would like to know if it is a problem for the basified solution to sit in a dark cupboard for a week until SWIM finally gets his naphtha and use that to pull from it again.

will it be of any use to pull from a solution with naphtha which has previously been pulled through with xylene?

SWIM thought of also redissolving the residue from the xylene pulls into some naphtha and by this seperating the jungle spice from the DMT.

by the way.. SWIM got Shellsol T as his naphtha. its supposed to be almost odorless and aromatics free.

what are your opinions on SWIMs plans Noman?

 

[burnt]

first of all always wash while the spice is still in solution with its non polar solvent. its a waste to wash the crystals because solvents and other impurities can be trapped within them.

second the most important thing is the pH when doing the washing step. the pH must be above the pka of spice so around 10 or 11 pH works fine it doesnt really matter what base you use as long as it wont react with the spice which none of the normal ones will. ammonia sodium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate

SWIM has now done 4 xylene pulls which are very slowly evaping on SWIMs balcony.. is it normal for xylene to take so long for evap?

yes its normal. xylene has a high boiling point like toluene and is hard to evaporate at normal pressure without heat.

SWIM would like to know if it is a problem for the basified solution to sit in a dark cupboard for a week until SWIM finally gets his naphtha and use that to pull from it again.

no its not problem for a week or even longer. anyway but realize this. spice is more soluble in xylene then it is in naptha. if you ahve done 4 xylene pulls the amount of spice in your bark left will most likely be trivial. when you finally evaporate down the xylene your going to have this red crystally oily mess. that contains spice. infact spice is the main ingredient besides the oils. you can extract pure spice from this mixture using small amounts of warm naptha.

SWIM believes if you extract all the spice from jungle spice there wont be much spice left to it. ie no or very little effects. spice is the main active component there is no doubt about that in SWIMs mind.

 

[69ron]

It’s far better to use DCM rather than xylene to pull the "jungle spice". It evaporates a lot faster and extracts more alkaloids. It will only take minutes to evaporate rather than days.

 

[acolon_5]

It’s far better to use DCM rather than xylene to pull the "jungle spice". It evaporates a lot faster and extracts more alkaloids. It will only take minutes to evaporate rather than days.

Minutes???? Seriously???

That's it. I'm getting DCM...you've fully convinced me.

 

[burnt]

yea in this instance SWIM would recommend DCM. Remember DCM sits below water!

 

[lorax]

sitting below water makes it easier to use with a seperation funnel i guess..

where does SWIM get his DCM at? sounds very exotic to me.

 

[acolon_5]

how is the procedure for washing a jungle spice/nn dmt mixture with ammonia? SWIM doesnt wanna wash away any of the precious jungle spice contents - he wants a mixture of both which stays dry and is easy to store and handle.

I don'e see how one could wash jungle spice with ammonia - it's too sticky to get fine enough to have a decent amount of surface area.
Your best bet for drying it out some would be cold naptha. It'll pull a little of the DMT, but it'll pull a lot more oil.

Always wash spice while still in solution. It is really pointless to wash the crystals...you are only washing the surface area if you do.

To answer the original question, only 10-20ml of ammonia would be necessary for such a small extraction. I'm not even sure if it is necessary at all.

IMHO toulene is a better solvent than xylene...that stuff stinks to high hell. Don't use it in an apartment complex or the neighbors below you will think you are cooking up meth and call the cops...just a suggestion!

 

[lorax]

SWIMs xylene has now evaporated and he has now got yellow crystals and a bit of red oil in another corner. it somehow seperated by itself.

how would SWIM go about washin with ammonia while still in solution? does SWIM have to use the ammonia the same way as the naphtha? letting it agitate and then seperate?

could SWIM just use the yellow crystals without washing them? they look pretty nice. SWIM also heard of someone not washing them but directly smoking them after the xylene had evapped.