How much hyper-insight do you retain after DMT tripping?

[Ajqij]

Psychedelics can be intense, particularly hero doses of psilocybin and moderate doses of DMT. Everything from reality shifting, to breaking through, to losing one's identity altogether pose challenges even for the most experienced travelers. Repeated experiences with "boots in the sky" (as opposed to boots on the ground) help with these psycho-delicious challenges, and veterans of the journey willingly risk the illusion of self all the time. But . . .

. . . what I want to explore with you is the "return" experience, the transition back into the obvious self and how much of the hyper-giftations we retain and actually apply in our daily lives. I have my own insights into it, but I would like to hear yours, for three reasons - First is it will help me transcend more of my own conclusions, Second it will open an exploratory conversation I feel has not been investigated sufficiently by the psychonaught community, (just my opinion but I dearly miss Mckenna!), and Third, to accelerate, and possibly expand our capacity to retain and demonstrate the hyper-lessons and healings the "Others" may be intending for us to sing and love into existence here in this reality. (A little disclaimer . . . this isn't about trying to figure anything out or nail down some archaic strategy to capitalize on the gifts, nor is it meant to be taken seriously . . . just more of an open-hearted, open-minded dialogue I suppose. What say you my fellow hyper-explorers?

 

[yatyas314]

Psychedelics can be intense, particularly hero doses of psilocybin and moderate doses of DMT. Everything from reality shifting, to breaking through, to losing one's identity altogether pose challenges even for the most experienced travelers. Repeated experiences with "boots in the sky" (as opposed to boots on the ground) help with these psycho-delicious challenges, and veterans of the journey willingly risk the illusion of self all the time. But . . .

. . . what I want to explore with you is the "return" experience, the transition back into the obvious self and how much of the hyper-giftations we retain and actually apply in our daily lives. I have my own insights into it, but I would like to hear yours, for three reasons - First is it will help me transcend more of my own conclusions, Second it will open an exploratory conversation I feel has not been investigated sufficiently by the psychonaught community, (just my opinion but I dearly miss Mckenna!), and Third, to accelerate, and possibly expand our capacity to retain and demonstrate the hyper-lessons and healings the "Others" may be intending for us to sing and love into existence here in this reality. (A little disclaimer . . . this isn't about trying to figure anything out or nail down some archaic strategy to capitalize on the gifts, nor is it meant to be taken seriously . . . just more of an open-hearted, open-minded dialogue I suppose. What say you my fellow hyper-explorers?

Psio at high doses has become the most insightful as far as healing for the reason that you are in that space for 90+ minutes to navigate and wrestle with what comes during that peak. So for this discussion Psilocybin has been by a mile the easiest to recall and take the lessons learned with you for the rest of your life IMHO.
Dmt in my experience is much more difficult to even describe for obvious reasons, its so much faster and intense visually/mentally that just when I start to make decisions to explore and surrender to try and navigate I start to parachute back in and the subsequent attempts to return always feel diminished. Having said that I would say that when I start to become aware of my physical body there are all the signs of productivity like tears running down my face and I get to enjoy the release and feeling of letting more and more go.
Ketamine was a one and done for me, I did not like how I lost my physical abilities like balance maybe I felt too vulnerable ??
Y

 

[Ajqij]

Well stated Y! Many years of tripping, (both extended and immediate journeys) have delivered me to a state of knowing less and less after each journey. I have a sense that "knowing" is a kind of ego-carapace and I'm a turtle trapped within its rigid structure. Many years ago I recall a cartoon "Help Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be a ___ any more!" It starred a Wizard of grace and a little ambitious turtle who thought he knew how to become anything he dreamed up . . . but soon found out just how little he really knew. :0

And yes, Psilo, (5 gr+) has also been my favorite substance over the years . . . established an ongoing converstaion with "Mescalita" (the femine energy who consistently comes to me between those massive "hyper-waves"). "She" and I have a long-standing cosmological love affair. After dozens and dozens of journeys, I began to "slow down" the coming down process and discovered something profound . . . a way to establish a permanent "portal" between reality and hyper-reality. I'd be happy to explain it in more detail to anyone interested in that sort of (in)finite merger. . . . Oh, and thank you for the comment about "tears" Y, it tells me of your kindness and care for yourself, for others, and for life as a whole(ness). Good to connect with you! Blessings and In Lak'ech

 

[yatyas314]

Well stated Y! Many years of tripping, (both extended and immediate journeys) have delivered me to a state of knowing less and less after each journey. I have a sense that "knowing" is a kind of ego-carapace and I'm a turtle trapped within its rigid structure. Many years ago I recall a cartoon "Help Mr. Wizard! I don't want to be a ___ any more!" It starred a Wizrd of grace and a little ambitious turtle who thought he knew how to become anything he dreamed up . . . but soon found out just how little he really knew. :0

And yes, Psilo, (5 gr+) has also been my favorite substance over the years . . . established an ongoing converstaion with "Mescalita" (the femine energy who consistently comes to me between those massive "hyper-waves"). "She" and I have a long-standing cosmological love affair. After dozens and dozens of journeys, I began to "slow down" the coming down process and discovered something profound . . . a way to establish a permanent "portal" between reality and hyper-reality. I'd be happy to explain it in more detail to anyone interested in that sort of (in)finite merger. . . . Oh, and thank you for the comment about "tears" Y, it tells me of your kindness and care for yourself, for others, and for life as a whole(ness). Good to connect with you! Blessings and In Lak'ech

I would like to hear more about establishing a connection between sessions. I have fully integrated high dose psilo as a part of my my ongoing journey to be a more gentle soul, I prioritize it like any other important appointment once every other month. Funny enough one of the first real revelations or insight I gained was "I know enough to know that I don't know anything, and I could be wrong about everything" that has really helped open doors in life and in this space because it just evaporated all preconceived ideas and judgement of anything. In the last thread we spoke about how surviving hardship helped navigate this realm, I also believe that being open minded and curious, letting the ideas and feelings that come into your head to just notice them and let them float away grabbing onto ones that need attention and working with them and letting new ones take their place. This is just the strategy I have used to get through some of the tougher sessions. These are great threads thanks for starting them.
Y

 

[Varallo]

Psychedelics can be intense, particularly hero doses of psilocybin and moderate doses of DMT. Everything from reality shifting, to breaking through, to losing one's identity altogether pose challenges even for the most experienced travelers. Repeated experiences with "boots in the sky" (as opposed to boots on the ground) help with these psycho-delicious challenges, and veterans of the journey willingly risk the illusion of self all the time. But . . .

. . . what I want to explore with you is the "return" experience, the transition back into the obvious self and how much of the hyper-giftations we retain and actually apply in our daily lives. I have my own insights into it, but I would like to hear yours, for three reasons - First is it will help me transcend more of my own conclusions, Second it will open an exploratory conversation I feel has not been investigated sufficiently by the psychonaught community, (just my opinion but I dearly miss Mckenna!), and Third, to accelerate, and possibly expand our capacity to retain and demonstrate the hyper-lessons and healings the "Others" may be intending for us to sing and love into existence here in this reality. (A little disclaimer . . . this isn't about trying to figure anything out or nail down some archaic strategy to capitalize on the gifts, nor is it meant to be taken seriously . . . just more of an open-hearted, open-minded dialogue I suppose. What say you my fellow hyper-explorers?

I have been thinking on this and then when I read it just now I started noticing how many underlying assumptions there are in the framing. Not in a critical way, just as something that might be worth discussing.

Some of the assumptions I noticed:
• That there’s a distinct “return” from non-ordinary states back to a more familiar or “obvious” self
• That we receive something real, what you call “hyper-giftations”, during the experience
• That those gifts are meant to be retained, integrated, or demonstrated somehow in daily life
• That there are entities or “Others” who have intentions for us, or teachings to offer

I think part of deep inquiry requires looking at the assumptions that shape the questions you’re asking. Some of them might be totally valid, others might be less clear.

Curious how you see it. Are these foundational for you? Or are you still in the process of naming?

 

[Ajqij]

I have been thinking on this and then when I read it just now I started noticing how many underlying assumptions there are the framing. Not in a critical way, just as something that might be worth discussing.

Some of the assumptions I noticed:
• That there’s a distinct “return” from non-ordinary states back to a more familiar or “obvious” self
• That we receive something real, what you call “hyper-giftations”, during the experience
• That those gifts are meant to be retained, integrated, or demonstrated somehow in daily life
• That there are entities or “Others” who have intentions for us, or teachings to offer

I think part of deep inquiry requires looking at the assumptions that shape the questions you’re asking. Some of them might be totally valid, others might shift if held up to light a little differently.

Curious how you see it. Are these foundational for you? Or are you still in the process of naming?

Great question and observations, V. I'll respond to each of your inquiries individually and then summarize with some "return" inquiries of my own. Firstly, nothing is "foundational" for me . . . any ground I have ever considered to be static or consistent just isn’t. I prefer to live within questions rather than answers. Having said that, there are intermediate islands of cohesion that capture my curiosity until I'm ready to leap into the pure unknowable again.

Regarding the notion of "return," I don't see this as an underlying assumption any more than asking myself what the return trip from one of my expeditions may hold in terms of "post-insights,” or for that matter, the drive back from Safeway where I bought my favorite chocolate pudding. For me, what is useful about entertaining a possible “return phenomenon” is to magnify the movement between when DMT is active and when its effects begin to wane. For example, "parachuting" or "being pulled back to reality” as some psychonauts describe it, may, within these unexamined expletives contain hidden techniques, interventions, or technologies that might shed light on how we can retain more of what we experience while partaking in hallucinogens. Anyone who has sky-dived will find a great deal of important information by observing closely what happens when they pull on one cord versus another as they “return” to the ground from the sky.

“Something “real” like “hyper-giftations,” I don’t know about you but for me a “giftation” doesn’t need to be “real” to qualify as a gift. Wasn’t assuming anything predictably “real,” but rather what might be “possible.” To drop down deeper here, I consider breathing to be a gift, love as a gift, pain as a gift, gain, and loss as a gift, and the mere fact of simply being alive as a gift. Are any of them “real?” Honestly I don’t care because I f e e l them, and that's enough for me to hold them as sacred, which to me is far more inspiring than what we deem to be real.

That those gifts are intended to be retained . . . well intention is a tricky subject isn’t it V? The way I can best convey to you what I mean by it is that I suspect intention can exist without an intention-er. One might entertain the possibility that the universe is intention itself by the mere fact that it exists. Does it intend to exist? I don’t know. But is it an embodiment of intent? I do think so. Here is why. Intention, from Latin, “tendon” means “that which is stretched between two polarized points,” (like the tiny tendons and muscles in your eyes moving them from left to right as you read these words). The universe most certainly operates on such dichotomies and paradoxical forces, or so I suggest. So are the gifts charged with intention? Each traveler needs to determine that for themselves. My intention for these types of inquiries is to pose ideas and see where they land. I find that to be well worth the risk of making underlying assumptions.

That there are “entities” or “others” with intentions to teach. When I use the term “entity” or “other” I'm referring to the original Latin root, entitas, which is derived from ens, meaning “being" or "existence.” Notice the definition does not include “a” but rather both “being” and “existence” stand on their own . . . without the need for the feet of Gods, aliens, or even hyper-dimensional creatures. V, when I simply “be” without any “do” or “have” I learn, and the learning is a gift from which I do not know, and don’t need to know. Hope this helps.

Okay . . . now please feel free to share with me how my responses land with you, and if there are distinctions you feel could use greater clarification. And, um . . . here’s a question for you . . . do you detect any underlying assumptions you may have made about my suggested notions? ;0