How reliable is your depth of experience relative to your dosage?

[nexusdisciple]

I've researched this subject a bit before deciding to post because I couldn't find another thread that dealt with exactly what I am curious about. I know DMT can be rather unpredictable, but how predictable is it for you?

I've been smoking the same batch of changa for the last few months. I have had multiple experiences with it but something that happened a few nights ago was drastically different.

This batch of changa is only 40% DMT so keep that in mind regarding the doses. My first few experiences were in the 80mg range and were pleasant trips to hyperspace but nothing out of the ordinary (for DMT anyway) and not a breakthrough dose. My first breakthrough with this batch was at about 115mg or so and that seemed about standard.

The other night I was going through a whole lot of stuff in my life and I broke down in tears. I asked the universe for help and guidance in what I should do. I generally state my intentions prior to every trip, but this time I was literally crying and begging for guidance. I smoked an 80mg dose and I had the second most powerful breakthrough of my life. It was tremendously healing and exactly what I needed, in fact it felt almost religious in nature (for lack of a better word) like the universe recognized my pain and was reassuring me that all can and will be well. It is hard for my to go into the content of the trip because so much of it was ineffable, but when I came back I had that "reborn" feeling I have only felt a couple of times in my entire life.

Obviously I am aware that set and setting play a role in every trip, but the experience I had simply doesn't seem possible from the relatively small dose of changa I smoked.

Has anyone else ever been thrown extremely deep into hyperspace from a relatively small dose?

 

[Enoon]

Yes, absolutely. It also works the other way around - a dose large enough to get you there twice and back just doesn't even get you half there.

Most of the times the strength of the experience depends on the dose, but sometimes you get a wild card and a much lower dose will give you a very immersive experience. At least this is my experience - and not just with DMT but with psychedelics in general. It's like there are moments when all our satelite dishes are turned the right way and we get the signal full strength, and other times even though we amplify and amplify we don't pick up the slightest buzz - we're just not tuned in. But how exactly to tune in or turn your satelite dishes, or how to know when they're pointing in the right direction... I still haven't entirely figured out.

 

[nexusdisciple]

Yes, absolutely. It also works the other way around - a dose large enough to get you there twice and back just doesn't even get you half there.

Yeah, I can also remember a couple times that I have smoked larger doses and they just didn't do much. This last experience has left me sympathetic to the idea that DMT "gives you what you need" at the time. A truly fascinating molecule...

 

[macc]

Hey quick question. Sorry this is off topic but had a question.

I've been doing DMT for years now, prob have 50-60 experiences under my belt. Anyways I've made Changa, but the main way I used it is by a vaporizer. It's your typical vape that is a box with a rubber tube coming from it. I like it but it's not consistent at all. I mean sometimes it blows me away, sometimes I'm not getting much from it at all. DMT is tricky. anyways I've never done crystal/crack/meth...ect. But would using a crystal pipe work well for DMT? I've never tried it and I would 'assume' it does but wanted to hear the pro/cons on it first before I set out to by a crystal pipe. Thanks in advance.

 

[nexusdisciple]

I wouldn't use a bulb pipe. If you have changa you can just smoke it, I use a bubbler or bong. If you want to vape DMT properly on a budget I would recommend "The Machine" which you can find easily via a search. If cost isn't much of an issue a VaporGenie or ideally a glass VaporGenie are arguably your best options.

 

[macc]

Ok I looked up the vapor genie, looks like a typical vape. I have one that is simliar to it that didn't work to well, but then again I don't think I put much in it. Thanks for the advice.

 

[macc]

You said you use a bong, but how? Do you place it under your green? I know you can smoke Changa straight up but fire doesn't work directly with DMT crystal. Are you just putting it at the bottom of your bowl and letting the smoke vape it?

 

[nexusdisciple]

You said you use a bong, but how? Do you place it under your green? I know you can smoke Changa straight up but fire doesn't work directly with DMT crystal. Are you just putting it at the bottom of your bowl and letting the smoke vape it?

When I said use a bubbler or bong I was speaking specifically about changa. If you want to use a bubbler or bong with straight up crystal the best way in my experience is to make a sandwich of herbs below and above the crystal. You can also use ash as a bottom layer to help absorb the melting DMT but I always used herbs. Then light the top bed of herbs with a small flame (dont apply the flame the whole time) and keep inhaling while the top layer burns and begins to vaporize the freebase.

I can't hardly remember the last time I vaped crystal though, enhancing leaf or making changa makes the administration process so much simpler I will probably never deal with crystal again outside of the occasional pharmahuasca.

 

[○]

The DMT experience is just so unpredictable as is, ime. Different for me every time.

Theres so many unrealized factors that I think come into play - physiology, quality/purity of extract, time of day, thoughts/actions leading up to, where you are currently in your life, pipe, GVG, sandwich method, mini bong, heartfelt intent, etc. Just soo many factors come into play that I think it's really hard to narrow it down to just strictly dosage/etc.

Ime, taking a full dose (anywhere from 30mg-45mg DMT; depending on what you use mg wise to achieve breakthrough) in one solid hit, whilst being completely in focus/relaxed is a hugely different experience altogether versus taking 2-3 leisurely tokes. Ime, it's not even the same experience at all, something completely different.

Yet even with taking a big dose in one hit doesn't guarantee anything really, because it all comes back to this sort of russian roulette of the experience. When i had my strongest experience i used 75mg of 1:1 changa in one hit, cashing the cone in a bong.

While ive done bigger doses (85-90mg) cashed in one hit, something was completely different with that 75mg 1:1 dose, and something lent to the most intense, incredible, ineffable experience of my life, so in conclusion - dose is only a small part of it, and so is the method of delivery..

It's a very deep and complex equation that we've barely figured out imho.

Soo interesting..

 

[Global]

I am going to weigh in a little ambiguously. I can completely relate with Enoon in regards to the "wild card" experience as well as the lack of ability to connect with a large administered dose.

Now for the ambiguity. While I do maintain that DMT can be incredibly unpredictable, each experience is not always "completely different". Having done DMT in multiple locations, including distinctly far away geographic settings, there have been numerous occasions where I still end up in the same exact places in hyperspace. The rooms are the same and oriented the same, the same entities may or may not be present, etc...Sometimes I am given unique vantage points that allow me to behold the connectivity of various regions of hyperspace, that further to elucidate my "internal topography of hyperspace". Then again, things can change up so much some times, that it seems like you might as well be working with 50 completely distinct chemicals, and so that DMT for ya (or at least for me).

 

[darklordsson]

Its never the same just expect the unexpected no matter what dose. Small=big Big=small. It seems to pick the right moment for you. It says what it needs, when it needs, regardless of dose sometimes. Other times it's reliable to dose, its just a big ? in this case. I needed guidance just like you at that one point, I asked, no, I begged, "I need some answers!!" "Please!". Just like that I got what I needed after the second pull...

Namaste,
---dls---

 

[d*l*b]

Another chime in on the wildcard experience, this happens to me very occasionally too (I normally work with a very similar dose, ranging from 28–33mg). 28–33mg is reliable for me, historically I get overwhelming bodyload and little-to-no psychedelic effects at lower doses, this seems to be changing a bit now so effects do seem to vary.

Anyways— back to the wildcard experiences. The most significant for me was when I had a session with an ex. I had given her a pipe and this was about 20mg, she didn’t manage to finish it off, but had had a fair pecentage. Following her laying back on the bed I decided to clear anything that was left in the pipe. I took the lighter to the pipe, inhaled and boom. Straight in. A very deep experience, from dose that should have done nothing. My response to such small doses is usually minimal, maybe a small feeling of something going on. Curveballs are a big surprise, but then DMT is full of surprises!

 

[anrchy]

Most of my experiences have seemed fairly reliable in regards to the size of dose i got. Although there have been those times where it was more, or less, than what i had come to expect from that dose size.

If i were to analyze just my experiences i would come to the conclusion that each time that was not relative to the dose size became that way completely due to the fact thats what i needed. Especially the times where the exlerience was much weaker.

She knew i was having a difficult time dosing so she turned the lights down quite a bit, then comforted me.