How Seriously Do You Take This?

[Vodsel]

What I was trying to ask was of those who have opened this door to the mind is how important is this path (Evolution of self).

I don't know if I can answer the question. Mostly because I don't consider myself free to decide right now. I have a young daughter, and circumstances have given me responsibilities I have to attend to. That makes embarking on long and distant journeys, physical or not, extremely difficult.

Maybe I'm not selfish enough to disregard my responsibilities towards others. To me, it's not really a choice. And if this means the Evolution of Self is not that important to me, then this is my answer. For now.

I just want all psychedelics (and all drugs, actually) to be available for people to buy them legally.

I second this.
Completamente de acuerdo.

 

[Slappy White]

As soon as you stop taking things seriously.....Holocaust ring a bell?

To suggest that if you live a happy, productive life without getting in your own way, an evil tyrant will start burning millions of bodies is an incredibly slippery slope and rises to the level of fear-mongering.

Also, I submit that the Holocaust came about because some people took thing way too seriously while a whole bunch of people were willing to sacrifice way too much.

 

[Doodazzle]

How seriously do I take evolution of self?.

Well, it's not like my soul is on the line or anything.

Wait a minute....




Yeah, I take it kind of seriously. My planet is in ecological/social crises. My tribe is scattered, isolated and bewildered. I take it seriously, but keep a whoopee cushion on hand just in case.

 

[olio]

How seriously do I take evolution of self?.

Well, it's not like my soul is on the line or anything.

Wait a minute....




Yeah, I take it kind of seriously. My planet is in ecological/social crises. My tribe is scattered, isolated and bewildered. I take it seriously, but keep a whoopee cushion on hand just in case.

We might be scattered geographically but we're together in the mind.... and in the internet

 

[Kronos]

Allow me to restate my post, I was not saying that if you are living a happy productive life that a holocaust is going to occur. What I was implying is that when we forget to take ourselves and life, as well as our personal evolution/development seriously, this can lead to various events and experiences that are not in our best interest.

Of course we should laugh at ourselves and not take anything that nature does too seriously, however, we must stay aware, healthy, and know that we set an example to the youth and what we are able to learn or integrate now, may help later.

Alot of people in Nazi Germany were less concerned with moral and ethical choices, and more concerned with following what other people were doing.

Kind of like this - Hypothetical
1. "Hey bro, want to go to the dance tonight, we can get drunk and pick up some ladies."
2. "I don't know man, I've been hearing alot about the Nazis and Hitlers plans to round up all the Jews and anyone else they don't like, my dad has been telling me about it, he seems to be taking it very seriously."
1. "Don't worry bro, that can't happen, your dad is always taking things too seriously, we should just go to the dance and not worry about it."
2. "Yeah, I guess your right."
1. "Cool, now put down that book Mein Kampf, off to the Entertainment!"

1. < Didn't take his personal evolution to seriously.
2. < Was starting to evolve into a critical thinker, fell back into the sheep, both were taken to concentration camps and killed.

If they both had taken themselves seriously, the more chance they would have had at surviving that event, and trusting their initial intuition/foresight.

Does an animal or plant take their evolution seriously? I would say yes, as they seem to be evolved to the point of living in harmony with their creator (Earth). Bless up all.

 

[Slappy White]

I have a couple of questions:

1. Did they not survive going to the dance, and if not why?
2. Why were they not supposed to go to the dance? Even American soldiers fighting in Europe in WWII went to dances.
3. Was person #2 Jewish, and if so why was he hanging out with a guy reading Mein Kampf? If he was not Jewish, refer to question #2.

Also, by reading Mein Kamph, person #1 showed that he was already a critical thinker. Sure his thinking was way off, but that is not a book you would pick up for some fun, light reading.

Absolutely, you shouldn't stick your head in the sand and choose to not see the things that are going on around you. Learn everything you can and fight for what you think is right, but sometimes you have to brave a couple stormtroopers to go to a dance. Otherwise, what kind of life would this be.

 

[jamie]

I dunno how nazi talk is relevant here. Obviously noone here is going to take things THAT far. It is not healthy to take things too seriously, that is all. Why we are now talking about nazis I dont know.

 

[olio]

I dunno how nazi talk is relevant here. Obviously noone here is going to take things THAT far. It is not healthy to take things too seriously, that is all. Why we are now talking about nazis I dont know.

I think he might be referring to our current state of affairs and the socialist world government that seems to be pushing towards a direction that was taken in the early 20th century...

 

[Bartacus]

It's called Godwin's law

Godwin's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Purges]

I think that there is a misunderstanding. What I am asking is not in the domain of DMT but on the search for evolution of the self. This drug does have value but in the grand scheme of things it is minor compared to many other things. What I intended to ask, and in retrospect unclearly, is how serious do you take your evolutionary development.

I myself am trying to get a deeper grasp on the mindset of those who take such a extreme measure as to let go of self control and leap into the unknown in a most extravagant manner. I have often though of DMT as a magnet for those who were willing to go farther than most humans would ever be willing to go. I know from life experience the idea of taking a reality warping drug instigates a great deal of fear in much of mankind. That unknowing of who you are and what will come, the loss of control is more than most are willing to take.

IMHO DMT is a great leap of faith. It can bring value or unyielding torment. One never knows until they step through that door. What I was trying to ask was of those who have opened this door to the mind is how important is this path (Evolution of self).

Ah. Now this is different! Spiritual development! Sure I take it seriously, if I didn't, I would be a confirmed member of the Church of England :lol: Honestly, I think reality warping is more of a big deal for some than others - how ever it is something we will ALL face at some point, so why not practice for it? It is incredibly useful, and can be incredibly pleasurable, sure there can be the 'unyielding torment' - but I have found these experiences to be few and far between if using the sacrament carefully and responsibly. I often wonder why people aren't more willing to experience these things, but as always, it is fear that holds people back, and fear is a major stumbling block on the road to spiritual fulfillment.

 

[sidefx]

I continue to Partake in DMT because i feel it holds true a power for self discovery a tool for shaping oneself.

I am actually attracted by its desire to take the control, it is terrifying though i gain something from it each time.

It is a break to being conscious of everything all the time, being conscious in everyday life is serious, nerves sensing this world.

My ambition is to be as happy as i can and imagine others as happy, i want others to reach enlightenment as much as i want it for myself.

This road is not a short trip though, and i am now mature enough to realize that it is a life long endeavor, one that must be walked day by day.

Serious is a serious word ahaa, but yes development is my goal in life. plrrrr

YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR INSIDE YOURSELF BEFORE ONE IMPLODES OUTWARDS.

 

[Kobranek]

Evolution of the Self

I know I take it too seriously as this is my only shot at this life and I don't want to waste any precious time, every day I am given I am fortunate. I need a mental "bitch slap" every now and then to put me in my place and set me strait. Becoming a father has allowed me look at the meaning of my life a lot more closely and work on the areas that need it the most. I am patiently working my way to my goal every day and know that it will take blood, sweat, and lots and lots of tears as well as time. As long as I never give up, give it my best, and enjoy the ride I can never fail. All or nothing!

 

[Kronos]

I dunno how nazi talk is relevant here. Obviously noone here is going to take things THAT far. It is not healthy to take things too seriously, that is all. Why we are now talking about nazis I dont know.

I think he might be referring to our current state of affairs and the socialist world government that seems to be pushing towards a direction that was taken in the early 20th century...

You are correct sir.

Bartacus made me LMAO

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I think he might be referring to our current state of affairs and the socialist world government that seems to be pushing towards a direction that was taken in the early 20th century...

:!:

Socialist...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

[tango]

I often wonder if we who are willing to let go, make the supreme sacrifice, breaking the mind of the self to see that which lays beyond. Would such a mind be willing to take a second step and make a commitment to sacrifice life and being to complete the journey that we have all set foot on?

Is this a hobby, or is it a sole definition of being? Are those who come here seeking a way of escape or answers to questions that confound, nay torment, the soul. I ask what manner of person are you? Why do you come here and why do you take such extreme measures?

Quite radical this either/or approach of yours, and it seems to strongly imply that the more serious you take it, the better! However, let's not forget that the spiritual enlightenment path involving big drama and sacrifice is a well traveled one, often by people much more skilled in dealing with this sort of project that the average westerner who presumably visits this board.

In my opinion, the challenge resides in walking the middle road -even more so considering that radical approaches such as the one quoted above can be tempting. I agree with the guy in "DMT -the Spirit Molecule" who emphasized that these chemical agents don't expose you to the ultimate truth or anything of that sort, but merely open you to the possibilities. If you tie a rock around your neck and jump head first down this rabbit hole, you're no better off than before the experience (and possibly worse off).

If by pilgrimage you mean a real one to some sort of commune (i remember you mentioning something like that in a previous thread), that path has also been explored quite a lot, with variable rates of success.

As for people discovering dmt while searching for an escape, I'm fairly sure that happens a lot, even though you make it sound real bad. This may often be an escape from one's own ways of being that can lead to cognitive dissonance related stress and turmoil ( and yet the person finds him/herself unable to act). However, if someone is super-content with what's going on in their lives and the world, chances are they'll pass on the use of DMT.

 

[Orion]

To my own integrity which returns each time from a journey I choose to remain faithful. For reason, research, experience and inspiration, for as long as I remain whole enough to use it to benefit me during my allotted time. Any further is just uninterpretable data on my human CPU.