How to improve my yield?

[Psilocybrina]

Hello all. I have extracted DMT twice now, the first time doing an A/B using Xylene as NPS which doesnt freeze precipitate so I had to heat it and deal with fumes.

More recently, I've used an STB using Naphtha, and the product itself is very good quality but I believe my yield is a bit low, and I am wondering how I could increase it for next time. I've been told I can expect a yield of around 1g but my result was .358g. Below is an edited version of the tek I used, making it more specific of how I did it. In the original tek it uses one 1000mL erlenmeyer flask (which I have since gotten), but when I did the extraction I only had two 500mLs and cut the math in half. Thanks for any help!



2x50g powdered mhrb into two 500mL add 300mL water to both then add 20 grams pickling salt to both. Saran wrap and rubber band over the flasks and shake them until all powdered bark is dissolved and wet. Then I take 150mL of water and slowly add 17.5 grams lye wearing safety goggles and gloves. Mix until dissolved then add to the flask. (Obviously repeat for the other flask). Then went to work, 7-8 hour shift. Added 30mL naphtha to both flasks then cover with Saran wrap and rubber band over the flasks and shake. let it sit and separate for 15-20 mins then pull the solvent. Then add new solvent and repeat 3-4 times total. Water wash all of the solvent. Put solvent into a Pyrex dish and seal tightly with Saran wrap over it and freeze overnight. Pour off solvent and let the dish dry.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

What if you did an A/B with Naptha and then did your last pull or two with Xylene? Or even just did the STB and did the last pull or two with Xylene. I do that and the Xylene gets me some quite active goo. (I also evap the Naptha on top of the Xylene after freeze precipitating)

I have a small unattached garage I use as a shed, so I just set it out there in a corner for a week to evap. Honestly though, I've evaped small amounts of Xylene in a corner of the basement. Stuff's nasty to work with while pulling, etc., though.

 

[fractals4life]

First off there's no guaranteed yield for any batch of MHRB, it can be from 0% up to 2% plus, depending on growing conditions etc.

The main change between your stated procedure and the teks I've used is that I will shake up and let separate each batch of solvent several times in a row, this allows the full amount of DMT to dissolve in the NPS. Your writeup says you only shake once then pull off after separation, try five or six "shakes then wait for separation" per 30ml. The way you say you did it will likely result in much less saturated NPS, so you don't get the full amount out when frozen.

Try combining 3 x 30ml pulls then washing and freezing, don't discard the soup yet! Then use the solvent you poured off to do another set of 30 ml pulls ( mixing several times for each one ) and repeat this process until the last freeze didn't produce enough DMT to make it worthwhile.

Also, saran wrap will likely dissolve plasticisers into the NPS if it comes in contact, so use a different way of sealing the flask that is NPS proof. Like a PTFE sheet around a rubber bung perhaps.

 

[SkunK]

First off there's no guaranteed yield for any batch of MHRB, it can be from 0% up to 2% plus, depending on growing conditions etc.

Psilocybrina may have gotten the wrong impression of yeild from me in chat, refering to my personly batch of MHRB I have been pulling from.

 

[Psilocybrina]

First off there's no guaranteed yield for any batch of MHRB, it can be from 0% up to 2% plus, depending on growing conditions etc.

The main change between your stated procedure and the teks I've used is that I will shake up and let separate each batch of solvent several times in a row, this allows the full amount of DMT to dissolve in the NPS. Your writeup says you only shake once then pull off after separation, try five or six "shakes then wait for separation" per 30ml. The way you say you did it will likely result in much less saturated NPS, so you don't get the full amount out when frozen.

Try combining 3 x 30ml pulls then washing and freezing, don't discard the soup yet! Then use the solvent you poured off to do another set of 30 ml pulls ( mixing several times for each one ) and repeat this process until the last freeze didn't produce enough DMT to make it worthwhile.

Also, saran wrap will likely dissolve plasticisers into the NPS if it comes in contact, so use a different way of sealing the flask that is NPS proof. Like a PTFE sheet around a rubber bung perhaps.

I think a crucial step I missed was heat during pulls and hot water during the water wash. I am doing another extraction now, also with 100g of NaOH. I am also going to freeze precipitate each pull instead of combining the four. And I am no longer going to cover and shake with saran wrap, twirling instead. I will update my results when its finished!

Here is my updated method for anyone stumbling across this if I get good results.



100g powdered root bark into a 1000mL Erlenmeyer flask
Add 45 grams picking salt.
Wear goggles and gloves.
Take 850mL water, slowly add 100g NaOH (Lye).
Mix until dissolved and then slowly add to the flask.
Twirl the flask lightly until all the bark is dissolved and wet.
Everything should turn black indicating the PH is pretty close if it doesn’t turn black slowly add more lye to a bit of water until it turns black.
Wait atleast 24 hours, twirl the flask occasionally.
Add 35mL of naphtha.
Prepare a water bath. Put the flask inside and heat up the flask to 50-60 degrees Celsius.
Twirl for 2-3 minutes, pull the solvent with a glass pipette.
When solvent is collected, put it in a beaker with a third amount of HOT water.
On the bottom will be water, in the middle will be impurities, and the top will be solvent.
Use a glass pipette to twirl around the solution and you will see the impurities collecting in the middle.
Collect in that middle section and put the water/impurities in one container, and solvent in the freeze dish.
Leave in freezer for 8-12 hours.
Once you take it out, immediately dump the solvent into a container. Use a fan to help it dry.
Repeat pulls until the yield is less than .1g.

 

[fractals4life]

You still only say one twirl per 35ml, I'd be giving it several rounds of " agitate for a couple of minutes then allow the two layers to settle out completely", before pulling it off the top. It gives the DMT more chance to dissolve in the NPS whilst avoiding the emulsions that agitating continuously can produce.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

You can shake it a few times, getting an emulsion, and then usually break that with a hot water bath. At least IME.

 

[riotmaker970]

Hello all. I have extracted DMT twice now, the first time doing an A/B using Xylene as NPS which doesnt freeze precipitate so I had to heat it and deal with fumes.

More recently, I've used an STB using Naphtha, and the product itself is very good quality but I believe my yield is a bit low, and I am wondering how I could increase it for next time. I've been told I can expect a yield of around 1g but my result was .358g. Below is an edited version of the tek I used, making it more specific of how I did it. In the original tek it uses one 1000mL erlenmeyer flask (which I have since gotten), but when I did the extraction I only had two 500mLs and cut the math in half. Thanks for any help!



2x50g powdered mhrb into two 500mL add 300mL water to both then add 20 grams pickling salt to both. Saran wrap and rubber band over the flasks and shake them until all powdered bark is dissolved and wet. Then I take 150mL of water and slowly add 17.5 grams lye wearing safety goggles and gloves. Mix until dissolved then add to the flask. (Obviously repeat for the other flask). Then went to work, 7-8 hour shift. Added 30mL naphtha to both flasks then cover with Saran wrap and rubber band over the flasks and shake. let it sit and separate for 15-20 mins then pull the solvent. Then add new solvent and repeat 3-4 times total. Water wash all of the solvent. Put solvent into a Pyrex dish and seal tightly with Saran wrap over it and freeze overnight. Pour off solvent and let the dish dry.

How do you water wash the solvent ???

 

[Transform]

How do you water wash the solvent ???

As clarified in this later post:

When solvent is collected, put it in a beaker with a third amount of HOT water.
On the bottom will be water, in the middle will be impurities, and the top will be solvent.
Use a glass pipette to twirl around the solution and you will see the impurities collecting in the middle.
Collect in that middle section and put the water/impurities in one container, and solvent in the freeze dish.

 

[Psilocybrina]

You still only say one twirl per 35ml, I'd be giving it several rounds of " agitate for a couple of minutes then allow the two layers to settle out completely", before pulling it off the top. It gives the DMT more chance to dissolve in the NPS whilst avoiding the emulsions that agitating continuously can produce.

Yeah. I found that Heat and more mixing were likely my critical errors.

Yesterday I did another pull, heating up the flask with soup and naphtha in a waterbath in a crockpot to around 55C which took around an hour and a half. I drew a line where the bottom of the naphtha was, and then twirled it for 3 minutes. I waited for the solvent to seperate back to that line that I drew, which I found took around 20 minutes. In total I twirled the flask and let it seperate 5 times, then did a water wash as described earlier.

This time the solvent was a dark yellow color instead of fully transparent. I have high hopes about the yield, we’ll see tonight/tomorrow depending on how tired I am after work!

 

[Psilocybrina]

I believe my method is now fully refined.

First pull yielded just over .2g, which is a more typical outcome. Again for lurkers, here is my refined method that I believe does not need any more revisions.

Extraction

100g powdered root bark into a 1000mL Erlenmeyer flask

Add 45 grams picking salt.

Mix 600mL water

Twirl the flask lightly until all the bark is dissolved and wet.

Wear goggles and gloves.

Take 250mL water, slowly add 35g NaOH (Lye).

Mix until dissolved and then slowly add to the flask.

Twirl lightly.

Everything should turn black indicating the PH is pretty close. If it doesn’t turn obsidian black slowly add more lye to a bit of water until it turns black.

Wait up to 24 hours, twirl the flask occasionally.

Set your flask in a crockpot. Turn the tap on until it gets hot and fill it about a cm above the line in your flask. If the solution in your flask goes above what’s possible in your crockpot, just fill it up all the way. Turn the crockpot on the highest setting.

Add 50mL of naphtha.

Cover flask with foil. Draw a line with a marker where the solvent meets the soup.

Wait until the liquid in the flask is 50-60 degrees Celsius.

Twirl in a figure-8 pattern for 3 minutes, at a consistent medium speed.

Too slow = No Aqueous DMT is converted to Organic DMT

Too fast = Emulsions

Wait until it separates back to the line you drew, this should be around 20 minutes. In total, twirl the flask and let it seperate 5 times.

Pull the solvent with a glass pipette into a shot glass.



Water Wash

When solvent is collected, add a medium of a third amount of HOT water.

On the bottom will be water, and the top will be solvent.

Collect solvent into freeze dish.

Leave in freezer for 12-24 hours.

Once you take it out, immediately dump the solvent into a container. Use a fan to help it dry.

Repeat pulls until the yield is less than .1g.



Re-X

1/2 Gram of dried spice = 50ml of fresh Naphtha or Heptane

1 grams of dried spice = 100ml of fresh Naphtha or Heptane

1.5 grams of dried spice = 150ml of fresh Naphtha or Heptane

2 grams up to 3 grams of dried spice = 200ml of fresh Naphtha or Heptane



Add naphtha to shot glass, cover with foil

Get the hottest water from your tap into a crockpot, fill it to the same level as the solvent in the shot glass

Sit for 15 minutes, occasionally twirl

Peel back foil and add DMT

Twirl occasionally for 5 minutes

Filter to freeze dish with coffee filter, get the solvent to room temperature, put it in the fridge for 1 hour, freeze precipitate for 12-24 hours



After your DMT has been recrystallized it will lose a lot of its smell, which means you did it correctly. The more pure your DMT is, the less of an odor it will have.