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I got shut out.

Above the Sky

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A very strange thing happened to me, and wasn't I surprised to find several threads discussing the same phenomenon? I'm just posting this thread to add my story to the list.

A little over a year ago, in September 2023, I started extracting my own DMT, dissolving it in propylene glycol and glycerin and vaping it. I was guaranteed to break through with one ten-second first toke and a much shorter second one, whereas I had never gotten the hang of a glass pipe (I had tried several years before) and would just burn my DMT. I was blasting off once or twice a week, depending on the week, and the trips were amazingly productive. Until one day, in March 2024, the entities told me to stop doing DMT until I had integrated all the insights I had been shown.

So I did as I was told. I put away my magic vape and went to work on myself. In the beginning of September, I asked the I Ching if it was okay to do DMT again and got a negative answer. Specifically, I got hexagram number 64 - Wei Ji (Not Yet Fulfilled). It contains this passage:

Little fox, almost across the river.
It is not yet past the central line.
Wets its tail. Nothing is favorable.


I took this to mean that I was almost where I needed to be, but not quite. One month later, I asked again and got a positive answer. I went back to using DMT about once per weeks at first. My trips were just as intense as before, if not moreso.

Around the same time, I started doing psilohuasca, that is, taking magic mushrooms along with an MAOI. Of course, curiosity got the better of me and I decided to vape DMT during a psilohuasca trip. The first two times were amazing. The third time is a total blank. I remember putting the vape down with my lungs full of vapor and closing my eyes. I remember opening them a few minutes later. I remember nothing in between.

Two days after this trip, I decided to ask the entities what had happened. I've had many favorable results with concentrating on my goals for a DMT trip and saying it out loud before blasting off, so that's what I did. The trip started, and I saw my visual field being covered by something that was almost entirely black - just different enough from totally black so that I was aware that I was in fact seeing something. It remained this way for several minutes, until I opened my eyes, wondering what had gone wrong. Had I not inhaled as much as I thought I had? Imagine my surprise when I opened my eyes to see fractals all over the walls and ceiling! I closed my eyes again - near total blackness again.

That was Monday. Today, a thought occurred to me: what if I just wasn't supposed to know what happened during that previous trip, so the entities showed me nothing rather than something else I might misconstrue as having to do with said trip? So I tried vaping DMT again, this time without vocalizing any specific intent. Again, the same thing happened: it was like my face was being covered by a thick dark blanket, with just enough color and movement for me to be positive that it wasn't totally black, and when I opened my eyes, all the expected visual distortions were there. Clearly I was "being shown nothing", as opposed to "not being shown anything". That is, the dose was sufficient both times to cause visions, but those visions were of nothing.

Message received - I won't be doing DMT for a while. But I find it very odd that this second time it happened this way, when the first time it was communicated to me clearly. I wonder what changed, or what I did wrong?

Here are a few threads I found where similar situations are discussed. They often involve speculation regarding tolerance, however I can state with 100% certainty that it has nothing to do with tolerance in my case. Open-eye visuals were amazingly intense, it was specifically the CEVs that were denied me. And it was implied quite strongly that any potential insights would be denied as well, as I have an understanding with the entities regarding when I trip with my eyes open vs closed.

Sooo disappointed... DMT wont work anymore...
Full 100% DMT perma tolerance
Shutout: DMT stopped working for me.
Hyperspace closed
DMT has stopped working for me...?
 
Which maoi do you use? Right before hitting the vape, was the 3rd mushroom + maoi trip being more intense than the other two? How far was it spaced out from the last trip? Did you vape more than usual that 3rd time? Blackout is indicative of a very high overall dose.

As you have probably read already, your brain chemistry may have adjusted to repeated high doses of those psychedelics, blocking the closed eye DMT experience while the milder open eye visual brain pattern remains open.

If I were you, I would take a long break (at least 6 months). You should be able to come back to previous homeostasis brain chemistry/sensitivity/wave patterns. This is only a guess on my part, I could be wrong.

My toughest time/metal loop was taking mushrooms and harmalas (reversible maois). That combo can be very strong/intense. What makes it harder is that Mushies can vary in potency, and I no longer use this combo because of how hard/variable it can get even when carefully measuring the dosage (mushroom dry mass and harmine/THH salt mass).
 
Hi, thank you so much for your input.

I used Syrian Rue seeds. 2g is enough to potentiate the shroom trip significantly. I tried 3g once and the effect was stronger but the trip was also accompanied by very strong nausea, and since I ingested everything while fasting, there was nothing to purge. So I went back down to 2g, but I know that it isn't the limit.

This psilohuasca trip was actually a bit weaker than the other two, and happened two weeks after the previous one. However, just as the psilocybin content varies from mushroom to mushroom, if the same is true of the harmines in Syrian Rue seeds, it's possible that I experienced a stronger MAO inhibition (as I know can happen from when I used 3g of Syrian Rue) which led the DMT dose to be too large, coupled with weaker mushrooms. I don't believe that this is the whole story, however, due to the two trips that followed. It would make sense if I had simply failed to break through, but even the pre-breakthrough "mandala tunnel" portion of the trips was shrouded in blackness.

It's interesting that you suggested a six month break, because that is also what the I Ching suggested. And it's also approximately how long my previous break was, so it seems reasonable to wait at least that long. What I wonder is if this should be a break from just DMT, from all psychedelics, or from all psychoactive substances stronger than an espresso (I also use a weekly dose of esketamine in a therapeutic setting). I should probably take a break from all classical psychedelics, but I don't plan on discontinuing my ketamine treatment. My session last Monday was actually more intense than usual, so it seems to be unaffected by this situation. Which makes sense, since it has a completely different mechanism of action.

What I think is most important is not dropping the ball with my spiritual and personal development during this time. Psychedelics are an amazing help, but they can't be a crutch. Who knows, maybe this fact is precisely the reason why I was shut out, but even if it isn't it remains true.
 
Your plan sounds good, I would quit all serotonergic psychedelics.

I'm not an expert, but ketamine acts mainly on different brain systems, I think you would still be stopping serotonergics during that time.

Perhaps you can mention this to your ketamine therapist? I have no idea of your relationship with them or how much knowledge they may have on this topic.

Do you know how long ketamine therapy will continue after the 6 months? Consider finishing the therapy, and then taking a further break after that (a few weeks?) before picking up DMT again. Just an idea.
 
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I think that's a good idea. I don't know for how long I will continue this treatment but I can always interrupt it for a few weeks if I wish.
 
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