I think DMT is concious

[inconspicuous]

Hi folks

So.. my first experiences. (This is really long!)

PART I:
I had heard about and read about DTM fairly extensively whilst at home in the UK some time back in 2012 and had though if I ever got the chance I would give it a try. I had even looked up how to extract my own, though I never did.

Well I am currently on a working holiday in Australia. 6 months ago I was sitting in my van/home in Cairns in the far north of the Australian east coast with a girl I had met there a week or so before and who I'd been getting on quite well with

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We found a spot near the sea, where it was quiet, comfortable and away from any chance of being interrupted.

We smoked though a little straight pipe bedded/covered with some herbs. I think I pulled a bit hard because it was extremely harsh. I coughed almost straight away, but held it for a second or 2. This crazy buzz just came from nowhere.. and everywhere. Like everything around me was vibrating.. and colours seemed to change. I remember my skin looked almost yellow. I saw trails when I moved my hands.. and my voice and breathing echoed. I gradually got used to the noise and started looking around. The clouds in the sky started looking like fractals, plants looked like they were growing extra leaves and the sand looked as if worms were moving in and out of it, like those things from star wars. This lasted for what felt like 5-10 mins and then everything just normalised again.

I remember thinking the amount I had handed over for this wasn't really worth the experience, but I put it down to my poor smoking method. The girl I was with didn't relay much of her experience to me. So I can't say how it was for her. I said at the time, I would like to try it again sometime, to try and get it right. I am not sure she felt the same way.

PART II:
About two weeks back I stopped in the blue mountains outside of Sydney and was on the internet. I have been interested in the ideas and questions that quantum physics raises, and has meant a bit of a reality questioning on my part, initially to do with the idea of quantum computing, being able to model everything particle in the universe.. and that there was a chance that everything already is a model in a quantum computer.

Any way, I found a bit about how, when you broke down atoms small enough, there wasn't matter any more, It was just thought. An underlying self aware conciousness that the whole universe was made from, known as unified field theory... This along with what Al Bashar had to say on the subject of DMT.. the Spirit Molecule Documentary and the Holographic Universe series (though someone that sounds a bit off) had gone along way in changing me from being Atheist to Pantheist.

It has also rekindled my interest in DMT. So I spend some time browsing this forum to find out how to make my own DMT and see if it could firm up these new ideas that I was starting to get to grips with. I tried 2ice before getting a result, and my first collection was very small. I posed a picture on my intro essay thread. I smoked it last night with the same pipe from the first time and felt a low level buzz. The pictures on the walls of the room I'm staying in looked as if they'd come alive, water flowed and plants grew, they had a new depth to them and the colours were stronger and clearer.

Then, after having spoken to a few people on the chat, I tried re freezing the same nap after evaporating some of it off. Tonight, I tried again. This time, I got about 4x the amount from last night out, that I smoked in 3 stages. The 2nd was the furthest I have been yet. It was an amazing feeling. I started with eyes open just looking around.. and it was like it wanted me to close my eyes.. so I did, and saw very clearly warm, orange and red patterns stretching off into the distance. Breathing felt great.. and when I open my mouth wider, I couldn't tell where my jaw ended and the feeling of it in my head started. I felt and overwhelming sense of peace and love. As I came down I couldn't help laughing and almost tearing up. I actually said 'thank you' out loud. I think I was talking to the DMT.. there is no one with me at the moment.

I related this to some of the people in the chat and was extra happy when the people there congratulated me and asked how it was. The feeling of closeness, openness and community I get with other users on here after only being aware of this website for a couple of weeks is crazy, especially as most are a good 10-12 hours time difference. So thank you everyone for all the information and support you have given me so far.

From here, I would like to go again, this time to really break though. I say I think DMT has a conciousness.. and I say that because it showed up for the first time after I already knew about it and wanted to try it, and when I was in a place I was able to get the information I needed and the best setting to try it in first.. then, my second time, (last night) was a re introduction. A 'remember this is what is feels like' then tonight, 'here's what its like a bit further in'. Its almost like I am being tested. 'Are you ready.. are you SURE you're ready'. Now I am sure. Now I am confident about breaking though.

Time to try this tek again, before my circumstances change and the ability to extract is gone for who knows how many months. I have a huge amount of respect for the work you guys do here. Thanks again.

 

[sØrce]

Hey inconspicuous ,

Nope, you should edit that part out immediately and read the attitudes if you are not banned yet.

The rest of the story sounds awesome, good luck with your attempts! I was definitely tested and have been feeling that I'm being sorted out through this whole experience. Smoking efficiency is definitely important.

I felt the presence of DMT in the room immediately when i first smoalked and also communicated with that presence. Powerful one, that. What I found which turned out to not be so unique to me when i mentioned it to others was that when I smoked DMT I felt the presence of Salvia in the room also...(?)

Perhaps suggestibility but I guess I'll have to combine them at one point after a thorough good long stint with DMT and see if they truly roll together.

 

[The Traveler]

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus.

Please read our attitude page, since you have just broken our most important rule (no buying/selling) with your post.

About two weeks back I stopped in the blue mountains outside of Sydney and was on the internet. I have been interested in the ideas and questions that quantum physics raises, and has meant a bit of a reality questioning on my part, initially to do with the idea of quantum computing, being able to model everything particle in the universe.. and that there was a chance that everything already is a model in a quantum computer.

On this site ideas, theories and speculation can be posted freely. Only thing to remind you about though is that these should be presented as such and please substantiate these claims with credible sources and/or well explained logic.

This will prevent people misinterpreting your ideas and it will also prevent the spreading of false facts. I hope you understand.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[AlbertKLloyd]

I like the concept of inanimate entities having a relative consciousness or intelligence that is distinct from sensory awareness.

I have often entertained the notion that all is conscious, in a particular way. A manner distinct from biological awareness and incapable of choice, but responsively and actively aware unto itself.

 

[inconspicuous]

Thanks to the moderators who haven't banned me yet. I realise the extent of those rules now and will not speak of that experience again. I was just trying to tell my story fully.

As for where I am getting my information, a lot of it comes from YouTube. There are plenty of videos on the subjects of quantum physics, visualising multiple extra dimensions etc. Some of the things Russell Brand has to say are interesting. It has taken me a total of about 2-3 years to finally come around to pantheism.. And I am still not sure about it.

I was raised Christian.. but ended up rejecting it around the age of 15-16. Maybe believing the universe has a plan, or a self awareness at any rate is just as much a leap as believing in a religions teaching.. but it does seem to have a little credibility. I am still getting to grips with the idea personally At least this is a conclusion I am coming to myself.. rather than being bought up with it.. or some guy on the street trying to get me though the doors of a church.

Here's to continued learning

 

[indydude19]

Thanks to the moderators who haven't banned me yet. I realise the extent of those rules now and will not speak of that experience again. I was just trying to tell my story fully.

As for where I am getting my information, a lot of it comes from YouTube. There are plenty of videos on the subjects of quantum physics, visualising multiple extra dimensions etc. Some of the things Russell Brand has to say are interesting. It has taken me a total of about 2-3 years to finally come around to pantheism.. And I am still not sure about it.
Here's to continued learning

First, from one pantheist to another, welcome!

I would be very interested if you found some research papers or scholarly articles on the subject. Personally i wouldn't hold Russell Brand's opinion in any regard unless he was able to explain things quantitatively. Plenty of people can explain what they don't actually understand in qualitative terms, but have no idea what they are speaking of as soon as you ask about the numbers, graphs, and experiments. I am very curious where you heard this "matter is thought" stuff if it was from a legit source, like multiple people with doctorates and PhD's. As far as i was aware we just know of quarks, leptons, and neutrinos, but anything composing those or any other subatomic particles i didn't mention wasn't known, or was purely speculation with no evidence.

 

[The Traveler]

As for where I am getting my information, a lot of it comes from YouTube. There are plenty of videos on the subjects of quantum physics, visualising multiple extra dimensions etc. Some of the things Russell Brand has to say are interesting.

What would be really interesting is if you explain these things in your own words, viewing all the youtube video's that people point at is something only few have time for.

Also most of the time youtube video's are no credible sources and it can be that one person interprets the video's in a different way as others do, so hence why we ask people to explain them in their own words, this will turn the monologue into a dialogue.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[DocAdams]

Sounds amazing, I'm on the same path you where on.

 

[jamie]

I think molecules have some level of animate consciousness.

 

[indydude19]

I think molecules have some level of animate consciousness.

Could you explain that concept a little more, maybe give an example or link to somewhere that does? i am not sure what you mean by that. Thanks!

 

[sØrce]

I've heard the simulation theory going around, that we could potentially be inside a quantum computer running a program, and would like to add this:

Before long we will be able to create a quantum computer that runs a simulation of an increasingly complicated system on par with something like our "universe" or multiverse or what have you (potentially). Which means that within this "potential simulation" would be another simulation of similar complexity.

Which points towards the idea that this universe could also be a simulation running in another "plane of existence"

Wow! Maybe we are onto something.... But consider the following:

It’s turtles all the way down

There are many versions of the “turtle” story. Here is one of the best known:

“William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way!”

These ideas of the explanation supporting itself have been meaning less since ancient times. Who put the turtles there? Who programmed the "computer?" What's the bottom turtle standing on? What's infinite inside of? How may infinite multiverses are there and where are they and what are they inside and how do they interconnect? Where'd the first computer come from?

There's the known, and the unknown, and the unknowable. It's ok to not know because the more you find out, the more questions will arise. IMO we discover "more" but know less and less.

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Here I'm alive
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Here I'm alive
Everything all of the time
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Everything all of the time

The first of the children." -Radiohead, 'Idioteque'

 

[inconspicuous]

Ok, so I have just come back from another try.

This was a really strange one.. I actually don't remember that much of it now.. but it looked like my hands were falling away.. and then next minute the inside of my mind was like a liquid.. everything I tried to think flowed over itself.. I couldn't feel my limbs and thinking about it was soon washed away again. I saw orange and white flowing all the time.. but not many distinct shapes like before and at one stage I saw the chrysanthemum though it was only for a very short while. The whole time I could hear what sounded a bit like the word 'spunge' over and over.

Then I opened my eyes but didn't feel the same love as last time. If I ran my fingers over my face and though my hair, it felt amazing though. Then I found if I sat cross legged with my hands over my ears and eyes closed I could reach a black void inside myself. It was safe and was nice to be in.

As I came down further I put on some gentle guitar music (I did this last time too). And suddenly felt better. I loaded it on youtube and the advert was only funny because they sounded like robots. After the music started I felt alot happier.. and the room got warmer.

I was so hoping to break though. Now I am not going to get the chance to use a freezer again for a while. I think I would have been able to get there but the pipe I am using isn't ideal and although I used a fair bit of DMT, I still wasn't able to get there. When my circumstances and finances allow me to, I will get a proper vaporiser and freeze out a bit more stuff. I am going to keep it dissolved in Nap in a jar.

Though parts of the trip I could hear clips from videos about how we and everything else are all one conciousness, and this kept me relaxed. My ego wasn't stone dead.

Now I am just going to love life until an opportunity presents itself to try again. I hope this isn't too long. I really wanted to get 'there'.

 

[uz1l0v3r]

Personally i wouldn't hold Russell Brand's opinion in any regard unless he was able to explain things quantitatively. Plenty of people can explain what they don't actually understand in qualitative terms, but have no idea what they are speaking of as soon as you ask about the numbers, graphs, and experiments. I am very curious where you heard this "matter is thought" stuff if it was from a legit source, like multiple people with doctorates and PhD's. As far as i was aware we just know of quarks, leptons, and neutrinos, but anything composing those or any other subatomic particles i didn't mention wasn't known, or was purely speculation with no evidence.

I wouldn't hold Russell Brand's opinions in any regard at all - full stop.

Also the "matter is thought" is news to me too. I'm an armchair physicist, but I'm pretty sure I would have heard that one before if it was really doing the rounds. New Scientist and Scientific American haven't covered it, that's for sure.:|

 

[indydude19]

I wouldn't hold Russell Brand's opinions in any regard at all - full stop.

Also the "matter is thought" is news to me too. I'm an armchair physicist, but I'm pretty sure I would have heard that one before if it was really doing the rounds. New Scientist and Scientific American haven't covered it, that's for sure.:|

Lol at the russell brand comment. He does have some good advice on jeffreys and furry walls though.

I have not seen any articles about this stuff in nature, or science daily either, let alone any less informed news source. A new form of quantum matter was recently discovered though :d its the 3D counterpart to Graphene and may help improve solar technology and computer processing ability though.

 

[spinCycle]

I've heard the simulation theory going around, that we could potentially be inside a quantum computer running a program, and would like to add this:

Before long we will be able to create a quantum computer that runs a simulation of an increasingly complicated system on par with something like our "universe" or multiverse or what have you (potentially). Which means that within this "potential simulation" would be another simulation of similar complexity.

Which points towards the idea that this universe could also be a simulation running in another "plane of existence"

I do think the universe is probably much, much different than what our objective awareness tells us it is and that our perceptions are probably illusory, or at least incomplete, however...

While the 'we are in a REALLY good video game' theory is a fun mind game, I've yet to see anyone explain how the bits and bytes (or quanta) within such a simulation could develop self awareness.

I mean, no matter how complicated the programming of the 'sims' how do they move from a collection of described behaviors and reactions existing as code to conscious awareness of their own being?

Plus you still have the question of who created the simulation and how is it that they are conscious.

 

[Nicorbit]

The Physical Mind (Ego) indeed enjoys those "mind games".
It is not its job to understand that though, it vastly surpasses its capabilities !
But isn't Spice precisely about that: seeing through those illusory constructs, to step into Knowingness ?

At least, it is my experience: from the Higher Mind perspective (with Spice, so far), the Structure of Creation is "clear".
Pure Consciousness, intersecting itself infinitely.
The same questions can remain, though: how vast is Infinity, how many infinite dimensions are there, ... 8)

Let's keep exploring, then