I think I've come home...

[Maroon]

Hello all,

Long time stalker and first time poster. Just wanted to take the time to introduce myself and more importantly thank the nexus members and creators for what looks to me to be the most important forum on the internet. After giving up the dream of a trip to the amazon for a sip of ayahuasca, what feels like an age of hearing whispers about spice and what it can do, and countless failed attempts to do what we don't talk about here, this site helped me make some bona fide Changa and guided me through an amazing (sub breakthrough) experience a few days ago.

So.. I'm me. In my 30's, UK based whisk(e)y salesman, massive thirst for knowledge, considered myself fairly worldly until I came across a few seasoned forum members here. Spent most of my late teens and early 20's following my favourite house, drum and bass and techno DJ's around the country and as a result exposed myself to a fair few substances. Those days are long gone and the increase in cost and chemicals in weed locally (and the amount of spreadsheets I have to do) have made me all but stop smoking as a matter of principle. These days Japanese whisky is my intoxicant of choice... (it's free).

A little about my first experience, used Cyb's Max Ion tek to get 1.2g of fluffy, light yellow product from 50g of MHRB. Used the warm water bath changa tek (I was getting impatient and decided halfway through... the less chemicals the better) with 10 x caapi leaf (boiled), 1:1. Found some Icaros playlists on youtube... loaded up my bubbler pipe with 120mg and off I went. By the second toke, the flame, pipe and my hand looked like nothing I can describe. Little black bubbles rippled down my fingers and into the pipe. A glorious kaleidoscope of the most vivid colours, aztec patterns and geometric shapes ensued. So alien but so familiar at the same time... it felt almost homely. It resonated perfectly with the background music. I wasn't quite prepared for the body load, breathing became a real chore... and all I could think about for a while. It was bearable and the plus side was the deeper my breath, the more the visuals developed. I reloaded the pipe with maybe another 80mg and took my 3rd and final lungful.

I had a couple of problems with my pipe... 120mg of quite dense changa wasn't a lot volume-wise. I struggled to get any form of cherry going on such a small amount of material and as a result had to keep my lighter to the herb as I toked. Not ideal, I know. Also coordination was difficult on that final toke. I'm guessing a bong may be the way to go moving forward... how do the folk that use pipes/bubblers to breakthrough generally do it? 1 big pull on a smaller bowl or several pulls on a larger one? Slightly concerned about dosing at these early stages.

I really thought I wanted to breakthrough immediately but I think my poor technique did me a favour. I got a small, flavourful taster of what is to come. I was absolutely amazed. The body load combined with the intensity of the visuals was exhilarating but a bit uncomfortable. Reminded me of that feeling with MDMA of a big boned chick sat on my chest. I think I'll stick with caapi moving forward without any 10x action. Would that reduce that feeling? I feel like I still want to include some harmalas rather than just enhanced leaf as I'm aiming for an experience closer to ayahuasca.

I now have a list of about 5 friends and family that are demanding I share my produce after I described my experience. How does the forum feel about introducing first timers (albeit seasoned intoxicant consumers) to changa? I've pointed them all in the direction of the nexus as a starting point but I'm not sure. Its a powerful drug and a huge responsibility.

Wow that post was longer than I was planning...

Looking forward to learning, sharing and experiencing much more!

Thanks for reading.

Maroon.

 

[TGO]

Hello and Welcome to the Nexus Maroon!

... how do the folk that use pipes/bubblers to breakthrough generally do it? 1 big pull on a smaller bowl or several pulls on a larger one? Slightly concerned about dosing at these early stages.

In my experience, it generally takes a couple of tokes regardless of the size of your bowl/bubbler. A bong would be a wise choice. It allows you to inhale more, all at once, therefore diminishing the need for multiple hits (3 tokes is the magic number in most cases in numerous smoking devices but everyone is different soo...)

Also, to get a cherry started I usually put a very thin layer of inert/dry herb of top of my leaf/changa and set that ablaze. It seems to work for me, at least.

I really thought I wanted to breakthrough immediately but I think my poor technique did me a favour. I got a small, flavourful taster of what is to come. I was absolutely amazed. The body load combined with the intensity of the visuals was exhilarating but a bit uncomfortable. Reminded me of that feeling with MDMA of a big boned chick sat on my chest. I think I'll stick with caapi moving forward without any 10x action. Would that reduce that feeling? I feel like I still want to include some harmalas rather than just enhanced leaf as I'm aiming for an experience closer to ayahuasca.

That "feeling" is quite normal. I wish I could say you would eventually get used to it but that is only half true. It is more like you become familiar with it and therefore it becomes a little less unsettling. It is all part of the DMT experience. IME, that feeling is there for me whether I smoke enhanced leaf or changa so using more or less caapi is really a matter of personal preference based on your own experimentation.

I now have a list of about 5 friends and family that are demanding I share my produce after I described my experience. How does the forum feel about introducing first timers (albeit seasoned intoxicant consumers) to changa? I've pointed them all in the direction of the nexus as a starting point but I'm not sure. Its a powerful drug and a huge responsibility.

First of all, if they are "demanding" you share with them then perhaps they are not truly ready! :lol: But seriously, I would advise them to do as much research as possible. Pointing them to the Nexus was definitely the right thing to get them started. I personally feel everyone has the right to try DMT but it must be treated with respect. Let them know it isn't something people do "for fun" or "on a whim"... Just remember that it isn't your responsibility to educate them. If they want to try it so dearly, why not encourage them to learn how to extract their own, you know? It is a very rewarding process and it teaches you how to respect it properly.

If they do not want to take the time to properly research our blessed molecule then I wouldn't personally feel comfortable letting them partake. At least not until they are ready and definitely not from my stash!!! But that is just me. I do not know the people you are talking about so it is hard for me to say what they should do. :d

Anyway, thank you for your introduction and I hope you find everything you are seeking at the Nexus and in life!

PEACE

-The Grateful One-

EDIT: I love your avatar, btw! It made me do this ------>

 

[DeltaSpice]

Hi Maroon,
There are a few ways to go, bubbler, bong, Glass Vaporiser, rizla etc.
I have all of the above except the bong.
The bubbler is for special occasions but if you can handle a massive lung full then you can breakthrough in one hit but remember there is no telling the nature of psychedelics, as in some times a little can do a lot and other times a lot can do little. So it depends on unknown factors as to the strength of effects.
I would advise 50 to 100mg changa in the bowl ,maybe in a herb sandwich (Mullein)then just take as bigger hits as you can or want.
Personally I prefer to put changa in a rizla with some mullein to bulk it out a bit and help it burn, then I can have sub break through experiences or carry on for a break through.

One thing to look into if you want the ultimate experiences is extracting Syrian Rue Alkaloids or Caapi Vine Alkaloids to make true Changa.

The best way to break through for me is outdoors on a hill. Smoke a Caapi Alkaloid joint and then vaporise DMT in a GVG...
Good luck.
P.S I wouldn't let a friend smoke DMT unless I thought they could handle it. Its no joke DMT.

 

[Maroon]

Thanks for the welcome both... and for the insight.

I can't imagine taking 3 successive tokes properly with those visuals so it may have to be a bong. Will definitely give the herb sandwich/layer a try first as I have some Mullein lying around. Sounds like a good idea

DeltaSpice how much Changa would you wrap in a rizla? A lot of the reading I've done suggests its not an efficient way to go for a breakthrough. It would be a lot easier for me to coordinate a few more pulls on a spliff than anything else though. I'm interested in the effects of the different alkaloids... might start a separate thread on that if this isn't the place to find out more.

Getting a GVG in the UK is an expense I can't really justify (although I am currently doing the man maths on a sherbler pocket bubbler).

Good points raised about my friends... we are a super tight knit group of enquiring minds that have shared intoxicants for years... I have no issues sharing anything precious with them but I still have my reservations. As stated... its serious stuff. I might forward on some specific threads as required reading.

EDIT: I love your avatar, btw! It made me do this ------>

Thanks... sums up my 1st experience neatly! Stole it from an account I follow here

 

[DeltaSpice]

Thanks for the welcome both... and for the insight.

I can't imagine taking 3 successive tokes properly with those visuals so it may have to be a bong. Will definitely give the herb sandwich/layer a try first as I have some Mullein lying around. Sounds like a good idea

DeltaSpice how much Changa would you wrap in a rizla? A lot of the reading I've done suggests its not an efficient way to go for a breakthrough. It would be a lot easier for me to coordinate a few more pulls on a spliff than anything else though. I'm interested in the effects of the different alkaloids... might start a separate thread on that if this isn't the place to find out more.

Getting a GVG in the UK is an expense I can't really justify (although I am currently doing the man maths on a sherbler pocket bubbler).

Good points raised about my friends... we are a super tight knit group of enquiring minds that have shared intoxicants for years... I have no issues sharing anything precious with them but I still have my reservations. As stated... its serious stuff. I might forward on some specific threads as required reading.

EDIT: I love your avatar, btw! It made me do this ------>

Thanks... sums up my 1st experience neatly! Stole it from an account I follow here

My GVG and Bubbler rarely come out. Truth be told a home made Machine and a pack of rizla can do a splendid job.
The amount of Changa you put in a joint is down to the strength of the Changa .
I'll tell you what I do and you can do your maths from that.
The Changa I'm smoking at the moment is 700mg Herb / 500mg DMT / 500mg Caapi Alkaloids.
I will take a rizla and add Mullein as if it is tobacco and im rolling a weed joint.
The add 200mg of my Changa. That joint will last 3 days (sub break through)
Break through is some life changing sh*t where as sub break through is closed eyes visuals and it takes me into a deep level of meditation and thought, considering ive never meditated in my normal life.
4 tokes held in for as long as its comfortable has broken me through before but normally not.
Also the herb you choose to house the DMT and Harmala Alks plays a big part.
If I was you I would start with a simple Rue Alkaloid extraction, it gives amazing closed eye visuals.
Any question feel free to ask..
Good luck..
Edit: Most people use a ration more like 1g Herb / 250mg Harmalas / 500mg DMT ish.

 

[Maroon]

My current Changa batch is 10x caapi 1:1... maybe a few tokes on a spliff would be a good warm up, pre bubbler. The Co-ordination was a challenge for me. Thinking about it some of that was probably nerves.

If I was you I would start with a simple Rue Alkaloid extraction, it gives amazing closed eye visuals.
Any question feel free to ask..

I know that every experience is different but if you had to, how would you describe the differences between smoking Syrian Rue or Caapi Vine Changa vs plain Caapi leaf? Both physiologically (body load etc) and psychedelically? Do you think the time invested in Rue extraction is worthwhile for a novice?

Love the flight case btw. My slight luggage fetish has had me racking my brain about a pipe case, been flicking between the Ryot Axe Pack and a Vatra Matrix. The postage and import duty made it painful. Lockable flight case might just be the way to go... cheap, secure and leaves room to add more equipment to my collection too.

 

[DeltaSpice]

My current Changa batch is 10x caapi 1:1... maybe a few tokes on a spliff would be a good warm up, pre bubbler. The Co-ordination was a challenge for me. Thinking about it some of that was probably nerves.

If I was you I would start with a simple Rue Alkaloid extraction, it gives amazing closed eye visuals.
Any question feel free to ask..

I know that every experience is different but if you had to, how would you describe the differences between smoking Syrian Rue or Caapi Vine Changa vs plain Caapi leaf? Both physiologically (body load etc) and psychedelically? Do you think the time invested in Rue extraction is worthwhile for a novice?

Love the flight case btw. My slight luggage fetish has had me racking my brain about a pipe case, been flicking between the Ryot Axe Pack and a Vatra Matrix. The postage and import duty made it painful. Lockable flight case might just be the way to go... cheap, secure and leaves room to add more equipment to my collection too.

10x 20x leaf is a good place to start but its completely different to powdered Harmala alkaloids.
Personally I started with Rue. It mixes well with untold herbs and the effects are more visual. When I do rue Changa I close my eyes and most of the time I see loads of God-Code . I have seen many beautiful things with Rue.
Then I decided to try Caapi vine Harmala, the vine is harder to get a hold of and you get less Alkaloids.
The effects for me are totally different to Rue. I can really feel the Caapi in the Changa and the effects last longer.
To me its as if you add Rue Alks to DMT but with the vine you add DMT to the vine, its the vine that runs the show.
I don't get many visuals, its more of a deep meditation.
Also there is a female spirit inside the vine and on your first good smoke of the vine she should check you out and make herself know as opposed to you doing the looking.
Sound a bit crazy but its true.
I cant go back to Rue at the moment . I even just smoke the Vine alks without DMT.
I would say to start with Hit the Rue , its cheap and plentiful.
It will also teach you some kitchen chemistry learning how to extract the Alks, smoke that with your mates. Then down the line hit the vine (don't worry about your friends keep it for yourself )

 

[Doc Buxin]

Welcome to the nexus Maroon!

Safe travels to you & best of luck with your experiments!

 

[Maroon]

To me its as if you add Rue Alks to DMT but with the vine you add DMT to the vine, its the vine that runs the show.
I don't get many visuals, its more of a deep meditation.
Also there is a female spirit inside the vine and on your first good smoke of the vine she should check you out and make herself know as opposed to you doing the looking.
Sound a bit crazy but its true.
I cant go back to Rue at the moment . I even just smoke the Vine alks without DMT.
I would say to start with Hit the Rue , its cheap and plentiful.
It will also teach you some kitchen chemistry learning how to extract the Alks, smoke that with your mates. Then down the line hit the vine (don't worry about your friends keep it for yourself )

Sold... vine and rue on order. Thanks.

 

[Maroon]

Welcome to the nexus Maroon!

Safe travels to you & best of luck with your experiments!

Thanks Doc (Felt like Marty McFly for a second posting that)