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Iboga for quiting smoking???

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I have been smoking for more years than I have not - and it has a grip on me; but I find it interesting that anyone pointing out the obvious and sheer stupidity of smoking gets attacked and accused of arrogance ... this is the classic addict's defence mechanism; shooting the messenger. And it isn't about willpower, it isn't about fighting it, it's about realising what it is, and the mechanism that makes you think you need it. It does not require great strength or expensive treatments; it requires a realisation and a simple decision to stop putting the fucking things in your mouth and setting fire to them ;-)

much love
 
Fiashly - my apologies if my comments offended you; that was not my intention. And apologies for not replying sooner. Look, I'm addicted to nicotine, and probably caffeine as well - but I also see people who have been in the situation and have walked away from it. I can't say if it's the same for any other addiction, but I stand by what I said; not because I am arrogant, but because ultimately I believe we have more power to change our lives than we give ourselves credit for. It's just my opinion, and I may be wrong - but hey that's what we do here - share our opinions.

safe travels, friend
 
Addictions to any substance have a number of common features, but each specific compound add its own vile flavour to the experience.

Nicotine is particularly malevolent as the need for a cigarette simply serves to ease that state of disquiet which is nicotine withdrawal and the relief of this and the subsequent 'restoration' to a functional state is the pleasurable aspect.It adds little to the baseline normal state.

Opiates on the other hand will 'normalise' the withdrawing user plus add more-but the longer one is habituated, this 'more' diminshes with time to a state of emotional and physical numbness.

Its true an addict can simply choose to stop their use, but choosing is a psychological decision which is worth little unless its followed through with action.The required action will not take place without a degree of soul-searching and a realisation that the last person you want to be bull-shitting is yourself.

Spending too much time analysing why the addict has got themself into this state is not fruitful for many addicts as the reason for addiction tends to be quite straight-forward.You take a substance which imparts some pleasure, you like it, the pleasure you receive is here and now whilst the future seems an abstract concept and the consequences of your actions today dont seem as relevant to your tomorrows as they should be and you blunder on into a mire thats deeper than you could have imagined.Clearly, this does not apply to all but I suspect it explains the situation in many cases.


In Wordsworths 'The Prelude' there is a bit where some walkers are crossing the alps, aiming to get to the highest point.They meet some travellers coming from the other direction and ask them how far the summit is.They are told they have already passed it.I find this an excellent metaphor for the process of getting addicted.

For me personally, the process of reversing an opiate habit without attempting a short-cut to a cure was the only way to ensure I feared and respected these compounds subsequently.The pain of the process fades with time but I do recall that it almost defeated me.The experience has had many benefits-not least of which is being able to live a life free of servitude to a chemical.It has also made me much more forgiving of others faults and weaknesses, less frivolous and much more humble.But this is just my experience.
 
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